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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2018, 06:46:05 AM »

All I can tell you is that I know a lot of people in my age group, substantially more diverse than most people. In my generation, about 80% of white males, 35-40% of African-American males, and 15-20% of Hispanic males are conservative. The gender gap is significant, to be fair, but we aren't voting Democrat 75-20 overall, trust me. It'll be something along the lines of Democrat 50-46, maybe a bit more on both sides because we really adopted a big stigma against third party candidates. Laugh all you want. In the 2030s, you'll start to see the picture of my generation in politics and realize I was right the whole time.

This all may be true of the people of your generation you know. There is no obvious reason for you to extrapolate to the people you do not know. Polls are showing something very different.

What pollsHuh The oldest of Gen Z was 18 this election. Last I checked, under 18s don't get polled.

Pew’s definition of GenZ, FWIW, defines those who are age 6-21 right now. Polls before the election and the exit poll of 18-24 year-olds have shown that this generation still favors the Democrats overwhelmingly.

We won't get a really good segmentation of Gen Z voters until 2024. First-time voter numbers, in my state at least, were more telling and favored Republicans more than returning voters.

If that were true, there'd be a swing to Johnson and Housley....anywhere. Clearly didn't happen.
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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2018, 12:19:53 PM »

All I can tell you is that I know a lot of people in my age group, substantially more diverse than most people. In my generation, about 80% of white males, 35-40% of African-American males, and 15-20% of Hispanic males are conservative. The gender gap is significant, to be fair, but we aren't voting Democrat 75-20 overall, trust me. It'll be something along the lines of Democrat 50-46, maybe a bit more on both sides because we really adopted a big stigma against third party candidates. Laugh all you want. In the 2030s, you'll start to see the picture of my generation in politics and realize I was right the whole time.

This all may be true of the people of your generation you know. There is no obvious reason for you to extrapolate to the people you do not know. Polls are showing something very different.

What pollsHuh The oldest of Gen Z was 18 this election. Last I checked, under 18s don't get polled.

Pew’s definition of GenZ, FWIW, defines those who are age 6-21 right now. Polls before the election and the exit poll of 18-24 year-olds have shown that this generation still favors the Democrats overwhelmingly.

We won't get a really good segmentation of Gen Z voters until 2024. First-time voter numbers, in my state at least, were more telling and favored Republicans more than returning voters.

If that were true, there'd be a swing to Johnson and Housley....anywhere. Clearly didn't happen.

If you’re going to make statements please make them factual.
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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2018, 04:53:03 PM »

All I can tell you is that I know a lot of people in my age group, substantially more diverse than most people. In my generation, about 80% of white males, 35-40% of African-American males, and 15-20% of Hispanic males are conservative. The gender gap is significant, to be fair, but we aren't voting Democrat 75-20 overall, trust me. It'll be something along the lines of Democrat 50-46, maybe a bit more on both sides because we really adopted a big stigma against third party candidates. Laugh all you want. In the 2030s, you'll start to see the picture of my generation in politics and realize I was right the whole time.

This all may be true of the people of your generation you know. There is no obvious reason for you to extrapolate to the people you do not know. Polls are showing something very different.

What pollsHuh The oldest of Gen Z was 18 this election. Last I checked, under 18s don't get polled.

Pew’s definition of GenZ, FWIW, defines those who are age 6-21 right now. Polls before the election and the exit poll of 18-24 year-olds have shown that this generation still favors the Democrats overwhelmingly.

We won't get a really good segmentation of Gen Z voters until 2024. First-time voter numbers, in my state at least, were more telling and favored Republicans more than returning voters.

Do you live in the Twin Cities metro? Because maybe there were swings outside of the metro, but Paulsen and Lewis will tell you otherwise about what happened in it.
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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2018, 06:35:42 PM »

All I can tell you is that I know a lot of people in my age group, substantially more diverse than most people. In my generation, about 80% of white males, 35-40% of African-American males, and 15-20% of Hispanic males are conservative. The gender gap is significant, to be fair, but we aren't voting Democrat 75-20 overall, trust me. It'll be something along the lines of Democrat 50-46, maybe a bit more on both sides because we really adopted a big stigma against third party candidates. Laugh all you want. In the 2030s, you'll start to see the picture of my generation in politics and realize I was right the whole time.

This all may be true of the people of your generation you know. There is no obvious reason for you to extrapolate to the people you do not know. Polls are showing something very different.

What pollsHuh The oldest of Gen Z was 18 this election. Last I checked, under 18s don't get polled.

Pew’s definition of GenZ, FWIW, defines those who are age 6-21 right now. Polls before the election and the exit poll of 18-24 year-olds have shown that this generation still favors the Democrats overwhelmingly.

We won't get a really good segmentation of Gen Z voters until 2024. First-time voter numbers, in my state at least, were more telling and favored Republicans more than returning voters.

If that were true, there'd be a swing to Johnson and Housley....anywhere. Clearly didn't happen.

If you’re going to make statements please make them factual.
Ironic coming from the guy who says that an entire generation is conservative because his buddies are conservative. Facts dont care about your feelings.
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2018, 08:17:18 PM »

All I can tell you is that I know a lot of people in my age group, substantially more diverse than most people. In my generation, about 80% of white males, 35-40% of African-American males, and 15-20% of Hispanic males are conservative. The gender gap is significant, to be fair, but we aren't voting Democrat 75-20 overall, trust me. It'll be something along the lines of Democrat 50-46, maybe a bit more on both sides because we really adopted a big stigma against third party candidates. Laugh all you want. In the 2030s, you'll start to see the picture of my generation in politics and realize I was right the whole time.

This all may be true of the people of your generation you know. There is no obvious reason for you to extrapolate to the people you do not know. Polls are showing something very different.

What pollsHuh The oldest of Gen Z was 18 this election. Last I checked, under 18s don't get polled.

Pew’s definition of GenZ, FWIW, defines those who are age 6-21 right now. Polls before the election and the exit poll of 18-24 year-olds have shown that this generation still favors the Democrats overwhelmingly.

We won't get a really good segmentation of Gen Z voters until 2024. First-time voter numbers, in my state at least, were more telling and favored Republicans more than returning voters.

Do you live in the Twin Cities metro? Because maybe there were swings outside of the metro, but Paulsen and Lewis will tell you otherwise about what happened in it.

Yes, I live in Lewis' district.
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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2018, 11:15:42 PM »
« Edited: December 06, 2018, 11:19:23 PM by Statilius the Epicurean »

Generation Z in the US is browner, queerer, poorer, more educated, more urban and less religious than any previous generation. Of course they will all turn out as strong conservatives.
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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2018, 01:17:53 PM »

All I can tell you is that I know a lot of people in my age group, substantially more diverse than most people. In my generation, about 80% of white males, 35-40% of African-American males, and 15-20% of Hispanic males are conservative. The gender gap is significant, to be fair, but we aren't voting Democrat 75-20 overall, trust me. It'll be something along the lines of Democrat 50-46, maybe a bit more on both sides because we really adopted a big stigma against third party candidates. Laugh all you want. In the 2030s, you'll start to see the picture of my generation in politics and realize I was right the whole time.

This all may be true of the people of your generation you know. There is no obvious reason for you to extrapolate to the people you do not know. Polls are showing something very different.

This. It's a little early to guess where Gen Z is on the political spectrum, especially if you're using anecdotal evidence.
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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2018, 01:37:50 PM »

All I can tell you is that I know a lot of people in my age group, substantially more diverse than most people. In my generation, about 80% of white males, 35-40% of African-American males, and 15-20% of Hispanic males are conservative. The gender gap is significant, to be fair, but we aren't voting Democrat 75-20 overall, trust me. It'll be something along the lines of Democrat 50-46, maybe a bit more on both sides because we really adopted a big stigma against third party candidates. Laugh all you want. In the 2030s, you'll start to see the picture of my generation in politics and realize I was right the whole time.

They might not like Democrats, but i can bet that they won't like Republicans either, and that the less of the lesser evil will be Democrats, but i would agree if you'd say that Democrats have a problem with younger generations as well, especially on making them turn out and establishing yourself in it. The corporate image of Democrats hurts them a lot, and i mean a lot. And i also believe that many young people might be left-wing on certain ideas (esp. social issues and economical issues), but that they'll mostly agree with Trump on immigration. That doesn't mean that the GOP isn't alienating younger voters even more in huge numbers.
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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2018, 06:03:12 PM »

LOL, maybe among White male Gen Zers the split is or will be 50/50. However, Gen Zers as a whole, especially when it comes to minorities are OVERWHELMINGLY Democratic.
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« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2018, 12:59:23 PM »

Just because demographics are changing to Democrats' favor due to the new minorities (younger Latinos especially) in love with big government, welfare state, etc. doesn't mean the Democrats have a lock on the presidency.

A Josh Hawley, or Todd Young, or some unknown Republican will break that electoral tide.
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« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2018, 10:58:01 PM »

Lol Gen Z thinks Democrats are full of sh**t. Have fun dealing with us.

You might think so, but the polling and electoral behavior suggests otherwise. The first year defining Generation Z is not yet defined. People born in 2001 did not vote in the 2018 midterm election.

If you go by the generational theory of Strauss and Howe, then you have every reason to expect Generation Z to vote along with the Millennial Generation until about ten to fifteen years after a Crisis Era ends. Then, and only then will their cultural divergence reflect itself in voting habits.   
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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2018, 12:58:05 PM »

Also, younger Asians and younger black and Latino folk don't see eye to eye on every political issue.

The busing and diversity integration into top-performing schools where Asians may be disenfranchised will cause a fragmentation into the Democratic Party's electoral coalition of constituencies of African Americans and Latinos, further making the Asian voters, who do vote lean Republican in some cases.

So, no this is not the end of the Republican Party. A Republican that has a strong message could appeal to Asians and reformist blacks and Latinos, and appeal beyond the white male moderate/conservative base.

https://newrepublic.com/article/151328/whose-side-asian-americans-on
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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2018, 01:21:13 PM »

Also, younger Asians and younger black and Latino folk don't see eye to eye on every political issue.

The busing and diversity integration into top-performing schools where Asians may be disenfranchised will cause a fragmentation into the Democratic Party's electoral coalition of constituencies of African Americans and Latinos, further making the Asian voters, who do vote lean Republican in some cases.

So, no this is not the end of the Republican Party. A Republican that has a strong message could appeal to Asians and reformist blacks and Latinos, and appeal beyond the white male moderate/conservative base.

https://newrepublic.com/article/151328/whose-side-asian-americans-on
Not really because nobody is saying that the Democratic Party is "guaranteed" to have the Presidency in the future.

Also, in the foreseeable future, most young people of color are not going to vote for a Republican no matter if they are "moderate" or not.
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