Some Final Thoughts on the DNC

[12th Doctor]

Well, the Convention is coming to an end.  The delegates are packing up and it is time for us to access the show as a whole.

I can think of only one word that describes the specticle that has graced my beloved Cable News and News Print for the past four days: fake.  This convention must be the largest put-on in the history of Politics.  Almost every speaker, from Bill Clinton to John Kerry tried desparatly to hide their true feelings from the country and come off as moderates.

Kerry's speech in particular was laughable.  Kerry was trying really hard to sound tough on defense.  He promised that he would raise more troops and send more men too Iraq.  Well, see how long that lasts.  He also charged that parents should not have to raise collections to buy their kids body armor.  Kerry voted against a bill approprieting money for troops to get more of the same.

Then, we have his talk about God.  I thought this was the funniest part of all.  He brings up God and the delegates (most of whom are hard core migrendel/BRTD) types jump to their feet.  What a farce.

This was the pace of the intire convention.  The Dems brought some of their most Liberal people to speak and suddenly, they became moderates.  Kerry himself in some parts almost seemed to parrot Bush.  Dean and Gore looked horribly uncomfortable at the podium and it was obvious that the words coming out of thier mouths were not their own.

I applaud Sharpton for acctully saying what 90% of the people in that hall were feeling.

After all that, the average voter is probably more confused about what the Dems represent than they were before this whole thing started.

Well, your thoughts?

[Keystone Phil]

All I have to say is I can't wait till our convention starts.

[The Duke]

I agree with Soulty, and I don't think it sells.

[MarkDel]

I agree with Soulty, and I don't think it sells.

I agree with you and Soulty about the SUBSTANTIVE TRUTH about this Convention, but I disagree on whether or not it will sell. I believe it will sell because the undecided voters are the people who don't pay enough attention to see through this "dog and pony' show that the DNC just put forth. I think this is the smartest convention they have run since 1964. Granted, most of their recent conventions have been disastrous left wing love fests, but this one was brilliantly scripted...even if it was, of course, a total lie of what they really stand for.

[Trilobyte]

Granted, most of their recent conventions have been disastrous left wing love fests, but this one was brilliantly scripted...even if it was, of course, a total lie of what they really stand for.

Isn't that to be expected at any convention? I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain don't exactly stand for the Republican mainstream either.

[Lunar]

If it was what the DNC stood for I wouldn't be an independent.

I loved all of the political curveballs Kerry used in his speech.  He would often just ignore the heart of the issue and pretend like another perspective is the obvious one and then draw simple conclusions from that.  He did it time and time again, an obvious example is the political pessimism part.  He just pretended like it was obvious that the Bush administration thought that the current situation is the best the country can do and then drew the simple conclusion that "we can do better" is far more optimistic.

[MarkDel]

Granted, most of their recent conventions have been disastrous left wing love fests, but this one was brilliantly scripted...even if it was, of course, a total lie of what they really stand for.

Isn't that to be expected at any convention? I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain don't exactly stand for the Republican mainstream either.

To some extent you are right, but it's a matter of "degree" and guys like Rudy and Arnold are a LOT closer to the Republican mainstream than you might think. Also, there's a VAST difference between putting "diverse" speakers on the roster and having people say COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things at the Convention than they do in the normal political discourse. So while Rudy and Arnold may express views not quite in the Republican mainstream, that is a FAR cry from having overtly Left Wing people say center/right things over and over and over again.

[ATFFL]

Lunar, all tht would work much better if the DNC was last.  The Republicans get their rebuttal in a month.

[MarkDel]

If it was what the DNC stood for I wouldn't be an independent.

I loved all of the political curveballs Kerry used in his speech.  He would often just ignore the heart of the issue and pretend like another perspective is the obvious one and then draw simple conclusions from that.  He did it time and time again, an obvious example is the political pessimism part.  He just pretended like it was obvious that the Bush administration thought that the current situation is the best the country can do and then drew the simple conclusion that "we can do better" is far more optimistic.

Lunar,

Do you mean that you would be a Democrat if that was what they were really like?

[12th Doctor]

Granted, most of their recent conventions have been disastrous left wing love fests, but this one was brilliantly scripted...even if it was, of course, a total lie of what they really stand for.

Isn't that to be expected at any convention? I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain don't exactly stand for the Republican mainstream either.

But Arnold, Giuliani and McCain will tell people what they stand for.  Dean, Gore and Kerry avoided the truth of who they are.

[Lunar]

The image projected by John Kerry was more of a Truman-esque image than the real John Kerry/Democratic image.  I would have been a Democrat in 1948.

In general I'm an independent because I don't like partisanship.  But if there really was a strong foreign policy behind the Democratic party combined with the strong leadership they pretend they have, I would join them.

[Wakie]

Granted, most of their recent conventions have been disastrous left wing love fests, but this one was brilliantly scripted...even if it was, of course, a total lie of what they really stand for.

Isn't that to be expected at any convention? I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain don't exactly stand for the Republican mainstream either.

But Arnold, Giuliani and McCain will tell people what they stand for.  Dean, Gore and Kerry avoided the truth of who they are.

Oh please.  Do you really think Arnold is going to talk about being pro-choice?  Or that Giuliani will mention gay rights?

Dean, Gore, and Kerry talked about some of the issues (the ones which help them the most on the campaign trail).  Of course they avoided the more contraversial.  This is a convention, a political pep rally.  That's what happens at these events for both parties.  Don't tell me you thought it was otherwise.

[dazzleman]

It's pathetic that the delegates to that convention did not have the presence of mind to be embarrassed that the cheered wildly for a man who in 1987 knowingly made a false accusation of rape against an innocent man in order to stir up racial hatred, from which he would profit, in that great bastion of liberalism and tolerance called New York.

Do these people have no filter of common sense?  Apparently not.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Then, we have his talk about God.  I thought this was the funniest part of all.  He brings up God and the delegates (most of whom are hard core migrendel/BRTD) types jump to their feet.  What a farce.

I had no problems with that at all. I'm Christian anyway.

I find this whining funny though, beforehand you people wer esaying it'd be a disaster if it turned into one big MoveOn type "Hate Bush" fest, they turn away from that and you whine about it being fake.

[Nym90]

Supersoulty, who are you to judge the personal religious beliefs of the delegates? I, for one, would never dare assume that someone's cheering for the mention of God is fake. All of a sudden you are an expert on the personal religious views of these people?

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Granted, most of their recent conventions have been disastrous left wing love fests, but this one was brilliantly scripted...even if it was, of course, a total lie of what they really stand for.

Isn't that to be expected at any convention? I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain don't exactly stand for the Republican mainstream either.

Seriosuly!

[CARLHAYDEN]

The image projected by John Kerry was more of a Truman-esque image than the real John Kerry/Democratic image.  I would have been a Democrat in 1948.

In general I'm an independent because I don't like partisanship.  But if there really was a strong foreign policy behind the Democratic party combined with the strong leadership they pretend they have, I would join them.

Reviewing Kerry's speech (he is a poor public speaker), it is interesting for what is NOT there.

There is barely any mention of what he did as a United States Senator (the highest elective office he has held, and the one he has held both most recently, and for the longest period).

There is a good reason for this omission.  His record in the Senate simply will not sell with the American people, so he glosses over it.

[dazzleman]

Supersoulty, who are you to judge the personal religious beliefs of the delegates? I, for one, would never dare assume that someone's cheering for the mention of God is fake. All of a sudden you are an expert on the personal religious views of these people?

I do think there is something contrived about far-left Democrats posing as religious people.

I don't know about their personal beliefs, but their policy agenda, and the attitude they project, is not only indifference to the dominant religion in this country, in its various forms, but outright hostility.  "Christian" is a bad word in left-wing Democratic circles, and anybody who shows any sign of Christian religious beliefs is ridiculed in this circles.  The only thing that the far left finds immoral is being "judgmental" unless of course they are the ones making the judgments.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

"Christian" is a bad word in left-wing Democratic circles, and anybody who shows any sign of Christian religious beliefs is ridiculed in this circles.

more baseless claims from you. where's the proof? That's not true on DU.

[Beet]

Supersoulty, who are you to judge the personal religious beliefs of the delegates? I, for one, would never dare assume that someone's cheering for the mention of God is fake. All of a sudden you are an expert on the personal religious views of these people?

I do think there is something contrived about far-left Democrats posing as religious people.

I don't know about their personal beliefs, but their policy agenda, and the attitude they project, is not only indifference to the dominant religion in this country, in its various forms, but outright hostility.  "Christian" is a bad word in left-wing Democratic circles, and anybody who shows any sign of Christian religious beliefs is ridiculed in this circles.  The only thing that the far left finds immoral is being "judgmental" unless of course they are the ones making the judgments.

Actually if the Democrats could not make judgments at all they could not be a political party, because a political party must have positions and in order to have positions, one must have judgements. HOWEVER, the Bible does say that you will be judged based on the standard by which you judge others, and to look at your own faults before you look at others, and not to cast a stone if you yourself have sinned. The ones farthest from this Biblical message today are those who claim to be the most "religious" right.