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TommyC1776
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« on: August 08, 2004, 04:29:29 PM »
« edited: August 08, 2004, 04:30:57 PM by KucinichforPrez »
Here's a good what-if.  The original US is split into 7 different countires.



red-United States
green- Middle States of America
light blue-North Eastern States of America
blue-Texahoma w/ Alaska and Hawaii included
orange-Southern Union
yellow-West States of America
brown-Pacific
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2004, 04:31:19 PM »
Never would happen like that.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2004, 04:32:25 PM »

well let's pretend, ok?
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2004, 04:36:29 PM »
people could help me make up states for these other countries and have elections for them, too.
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2004, 04:49:07 PM »
Here you go this look better...

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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2004, 04:54:25 PM »

I like this better.
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2004, 05:14:00 PM »
Since Texas was an independent nation at one time I think it would be Texas instead of Texalahoma..
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2004, 05:20:24 PM »
« Edited: August 08, 2004, 05:20:40 PM by KucinichforPrez »
Quote from: King on August 08, 2004, 05:14:00 PM
Since Texas was an independent nation at one time I think it would be Texas instead of Texalahoma..

ok but will Hawaii, Alaska and Oklahama all be different from Texas?
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2004, 05:24:10 PM »
Quote from: KucinichforPrez on August 08, 2004, 05:20:24 PM
Quote from: King on August 08, 2004, 05:14:00 PM
Since Texas was an independent nation at one time I think it would be Texas instead of Texalahoma..

ok but will Hawaii, Alaska and Oklahama all be different from Texas?

Canada would have Alaska and Hawaii would become an independent nation. Texas and Oklahoma would go alone...
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2004, 05:28:06 PM »
Quote from: King on August 08, 2004, 05:24:10 PM
Quote from: KucinichforPrez on August 08, 2004, 05:20:24 PM
Quote from: King on August 08, 2004, 05:14:00 PM
Since Texas was an independent nation at one time I think it would be Texas instead of Texalahoma..

ok but will Hawaii, Alaska and Oklahama all be different from Texas?

Canada would have Alaska and Hawaii would become an independent nation. Texas and Oklahoma would go alone...

so Oklahoma would be part of Texas?
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2004, 05:28:42 PM »
King,

would u lie to help me with this "What-if"?
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2004, 12:51:21 PM »
Suggusted names...

Confederate States of New England (CSNE)
I like this name, I believe it works pretty well.  Saw it on a WI map on the Alternate History Travel Guides.  Secedes in 1814 after a much worse War of 1812.

United States of America (USA)
Obviously.

Western States of America (WSA)
Was thinking Pacific States of America, but you have the Southwest here...so, yeah.  US expansion west still occurs after the break-off of the CSNE, but the Western States aren't all that fond of slavery, and decide to secede in the 1860's.

Confederated States of North America (CSNA)
Orginal name for the south was the Confederate States of North America.  With a CSNE in the north, they'd settle for "Confederated".  They would secede in the 1880's following a Midwest/Upper South attempt for gradual emancipation.

Commonwealth of Oregon
The US still purchases Oregon, but these states decide to secede along with the WSA in the 1860's.  After two or three decades in a republic dominated by Mexican-Americans, the white men of the north decide to bolt.  Very friendly with UK and Canada.

Republic of Texas (RT)
Secedes from Mexico, for a variety of reasons the US invades, takes over the state, but as the Union dissolves and heads towards abolition, the independent minded Texians secede again on July 4, 1876.

United Socialist States of America (USSA)
Why not?  Milwaukee once elected a Socialist to Congress, and this area would be ripe for progressive/socialist thinking.  
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2004, 01:06:48 PM »
How would Texas ever end up with AK and HI?
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2004, 01:43:16 PM »
Quote from: KucinichforPrez on August 08, 2004, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: King on August 08, 2004, 05:24:10 PM
Quote from: KucinichforPrez on August 08, 2004, 05:20:24 PM
Quote from: King on August 08, 2004, 05:14:00 PM
Since Texas was an independent nation at one time I think it would be Texas instead of Texalahoma..

ok but will Hawaii, Alaska and Oklahama all be different from Texas?

Canada would have Alaska and Hawaii would become an independent nation. Texas and Oklahoma would go alone...

so Oklahoma would be part of Texas?

Yes
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2004, 02:07:51 PM »
How about this??
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2004, 02:10:16 PM »
What's the deal with utah?
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2004, 02:12:11 PM »
Mormons break away
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2004, 02:12:34 PM »
The Mormon state of Deseret.
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2004, 02:15:01 PM »
I would put new york new jersey and penn in with new england if the original split was a result of 1812.
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2004, 02:45:14 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2004, 02:45:42 PM by Hermit »
My take:

Red- New England
Green- Confederate States
Blue- USA
Grey- Texas
Yellow- California
Purple- Deseret

Alaska and Hawaii are owned by Russia and England, respectively. The northwest was annexed by England.
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2004, 03:13:03 PM »

Where do you get those maps? Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2004, 03:25:03 PM »
this is a great map
http://www.eduplace.com/ss/maps/pdf/n_america_pol.pdf
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2004, 05:29:00 PM »
lol.... imperialism!


I don't think we need to be breaking up the country.
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2004, 05:56:16 PM »
Quote from: badnarikin04 on August 09, 2004, 05:29:00 PM
lol.... imperialism!


I don't think we need to be breaking up the country.
We're not trying to break up the country, we're looking at how, in history, it could have been broken up.

And I have NO idea where imperialism comes into this.
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2004, 08:04:19 PM »

I like this map! Smiley
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