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Хahar 🤔
Xahar
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« on: August 17, 2009, 07:00:10 PM »

Ok, even if we assume that Obama was born in Kenya (which I don't believe), isn't it true he'd he still natural born citizen, because of his mother U.S. citizenship?

For example Lowell Weicker, when thought about 1980 presidential bid, asked his lawyers if the fact he was born in Paris makes him ineglible. They said no, because he was born to U.S. citizens.

What do you think?

A birthers arguement would be that he only had one American parent, instead of 2.

Irrelevant.
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Хahar 🤔
Xahar
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2009, 05:52:20 PM »

The Constitutional standard is "natural born" citizen, as understood by the people who wrote the Constitution.

Demonstrably false. The Constitutional standard is "natural born" citizen. What those who wrote it felt is irrelevant.
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Xahar
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 03:10:43 PM »

So the question now becomes, how can Obama be both a natural born citizen, and a British citizen at birth?

In the same way that I am a natural-born citizen and a Bangladeshi citizen at birth.
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Xahar
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 04:46:46 PM »

So the question now becomes, how can Obama be both a natural born citizen, and a British citizen at birth?

In the same way that I am a natural-born citizen and a Bangladeshi citizen at birth.

You may think that you are, but that's not necessarily the case.

Natural-born citizen means citizen at birth. As I was born in the United States, I was a citizen at birth, and hence natural-born.
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Xahar
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2009, 07:25:25 PM »

If "natural born" is defined as citizenship at birth, then the XIV Amendment recognizes the rights of naturalized citizens to become President of the United States, since it guarantees them every privilege and immunity held by persons who are born citizens.

Point me to where it says this.

So the question now becomes, how can Obama be both a natural born citizen, and a British citizen at birth?

In the same way that I am a natural-born citizen and a Bangladeshi citizen at birth.

You may think that you are, but that's not necessarily the case.

Natural-born citizen means citizen at birth. As I was born in the United States, I was a citizen at birth, and hence natural-born.

So, according to you, an illegal alien's anchor baby can be President.

Nice.

Whether it's "nice" or not is irrelevant. It's what the Constitution says.
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