Alternate US States

[Mechaman]

So I got bored today and I decided to do some experimenting with your new states.
Since I'm a noob I decided to see what the 1964 scenario would look like with these states:



Johnson/Humphrey (Democratic)
Goldwater/Miller (Republican)

[Mechaman]

Now here's one of 1960:



Kennedy/Johnson (Democratic)
Nixon/Lodge (Republican)

This one gave me a f***ing headache.
I might be wrong on a few (I debated whether to make North Texas red or blue for twenty minutes, same with Western Pennsylvania as well as Wisconsin and Michigan), so please be forgiving.

[Mechaman]

This is formidable. Congratulations for your work.

1960 is really surprising. However, I think you're wrong on WI and MI : My transfert isn't sufficient to either make MI rep or WI dem. Nevada also surprises me, since the few counties I added aren't populous at all. Maybe eastern PA could also be democratic that time.

Well Nevada did go Democrat in 1960.

Like I said 1960 was a f***ing crazy election year. It's like everyone woke up and wondered "who the hell should I vote for?"

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More to come..........

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More to come..........

Please just let 2008 to me !

Your scenario.

[Mechaman]

Well Nevada did go Democrat in 1960.

Fixed. I don't know why, but I was sure to have seen it blue on your map.

THe first time I uploaded the map I accidently made Nevada blue. So it probably wasn't your imagination.

[Mechaman]

1968:



Humphrey/Muskie (Democratic)
Nixon/Agnew (Republican)
Wallace/Le May (American Independent)

Again, due to the competitive nature of this election, I might've screwed up on a few of the states. And once again it is North Texas that gave me the most headache and West Coast and California.
Holy hell, Wallace could've actually screwed Nixon big in this one.

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1972:



McGovern/Shirver (Democratic)
Nixon/Agnew (Republican)

Great Gagsby! I heard that McGovern came across as too radical, but man.....even in this scenario he still only wins one state.

[Mechaman]

1976:



Carter/Mondale (Democratic)
Ford/Dole (Republican)

Once again due to the competitiveness in some areas, this might be a little off.

[Mechaman]

Just for curiosity, how do you proceed for these maps ? Do you do some math or just look at the county maps ?

Anyways, that seems right everywere.

A combination of both really.
I look at the county maps and usually I determine how each state votes just by looking at what number the majority of counties voted. However, if the percent who voted for a candidate is high enough yet they only won like 5 or so counties in a state, I look for the counties big cities are in. New York is the biggest example of this latter scenario since the counties of New York City are so much smaller yet have quite a bit more of the population than the counties near it.

[Mechaman]

1980:



This one was a bit easier, but East Texas (or is it just Texas) and North Florida gave me a headache.

Carter/Mondale (Democratic)
Reagan/Bush (Republican)
Anderson/Lucey (Independent)

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1984:


Mondale/Ferraro (Democratic)
Reagan/Bush (Republican)

Mondale actually wins more than one state!
South Texas would actually be one of Mondale's strongest states.

[Mechaman]

I would've expected Carter and Mondale to win East Coast and Rio Grande...

What state is East Coast?

Rio Grande would've gone Democrat if it didn't go so much to the north and east (into OTL central Texas).

[Mechaman]

What state is East Coast?

Isn't it evident ??

The western part of OTL California

Going off the map of California for 1980 and 1984, it looks like Reagan won all but San Francisco and a few other counties. Going off his margin of victory in the state as a whole I concluded that he was popular enough to have won all three states that constitute California IOTL. Maybe I'm grossly underestimating the size of San Fran and those few other counties, but Reagan's margins of victory suggests he won a decisive victory on the West Coast. With the exception of some minority groups, very few people could match the sellability of Reagan (I would argue he was even more so than Nixon and LBJ who won landslides against extremists), who won the biggest electoral landslide since FDR 1936 IOTL against a candidate who may not have been moderate, but who was I believe didn't even approach the region of extremism. Although Reagan won less than 60% of the popular vote, his effectiveness in winning every state besides Minnesota (and in this case New York) suggests that he had a definite wide appeal to a majority of the electorate. In fact, IRL the biggest shock (from what I have seen from youtube) was that Mondale won Minnesota. There were newstations predicting that Reagan had a real possibility to win ALL 50 STATES, not just win the election. There was even footage of Reagan joking "I'm really concerned about my chances at re-election!" (crowd laughs).
Sorry if this seems like a long winded rant, just making my case as to why Carter and Mondale probably wouldn't win West Coast or Rio Grande (it would be very close though).

[Mechaman]

Yeah this project is awesome (which is why I raped this thread with my own electoral maps for previous elections in this hypothetical).

As a fan of making excel sheets with electoral data on it (I spent hours complying my presidential results spreadsheet), I demand you proceed.

[Mechaman]

Well, I'm quite disappointed to see there is absoutely no comment about the new states themselves, their politics and if they fit with what you expected. IMO, Midwest is a quite interesting region regarding the State borders modifications...

Sometimes people are too lazy to make comments.
Don't worry, people have been reading this.