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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2009, 07:57:33 PM »

I'll add you to the list of claimants

Einzige - MA
Afleitch - DE, NH, RI
Wyatt - NY
Bull - PA, NJ, MA, CT, VA
Fezzy - GA, NY, NJ
Hash - NY, CT, MA, MD, VA
Deeds - VA
NiK - GA
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2009, 08:57:06 PM »

Also, depending on when you are starting, Virginia claimed a significant section of Southwestern PA during this period.
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2009, 09:46:17 PM »

I'd like South Carolina and/or North Carolina.
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2009, 10:20:06 PM »

I'd like South Carolina and/or North Carolina.

Preference on North Carolina.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2009, 12:24:59 AM »

Also, depending on when you are starting, Virginia claimed a significant section of Southwestern PA during this period.
Included in it's maximal claims.
Don't worry, there is plenty of reason for war Cheesy
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2009, 12:26:23 AM »

Einzige - MA
Afleitch - DE, NH, RI
Wyatt - NY
Bull - PA, NJ, MA, CT, VA
Fezzy - GA, NY, NJ
Hash - NY, CT, MA, MD, VA
Deeds - VA
NiK - GA
Sewer- NC, SC
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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2009, 12:30:42 AM »

Lovely.

Has the game officially began? If so, what precise structure do you want us to use for turn-taking, etc.? In other words, what are the mechanical rules?
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2009, 12:51:43 AM »

Havent set everything down just yet. I would like to request everyone ask for at least two states though. I will post more on the rules and whatnot tonight.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2009, 04:33:31 AM »

It has occurred to me that many state flags suck. Therefore, I will make up some flags, er I mean, it is only fair to assume that since I've changed history by not keeping the US, that the flags should change (yea that'll work) part of your duty as governor will be to design a new flag if you wish to. The flags are as seen below. Note, that I have used real flags where the suckitude level is low, and I've used historicalish flags where I could (IE South Carolina. I just made the moon a ton bigger, removed the word liberty from it, and centred it. I did not, however, changed the colours or orientation of the flag moon)

*note, the Virginia flag is based on a real one from the colonial era. The NY Eagle comes from its coat of arms. The PA Horses (the idea for) come from their flag. The NJ horsehead idea comes from its flag, etc.




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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2009, 08:32:45 PM »

Please note the following.


After trying to tinker with budgets, I've given up. Budgets therefore will be anachronistic. Your budget will look like a modern day 2009 budget.

As I said in the begining, the game engine was worked out long ago, and setting is not important. That turns out to only be partially true. While I can, and did, change resources easily, the budgets cannot be changed so easily. The reality is that back during this era, there was just not that much to spend on. I will continue to try to find ways around this, and to make the budget real-ish, but the simple fact is that I cannot have an entire budget that relies on tariffs. Revenues will therefore come from Income Taxes, Sales Taxes, and Property Taxes, even though not all of those existed in 1780.

More to come.
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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2009, 02:39:36 AM »

Another minor note, the South Carolina claim, extending west, was dropped pretty early on because it was found to be non-existent.  The pre-existing conditions that had been specified to make that claim possible simply had no basis in reality (has to do with the location of the head waters of the river, but I don't remember the exact details).
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2009, 06:33:24 AM »

Another minor note, the South Carolina claim, extending west, was dropped pretty early on because it was found to be non-existent.  The pre-existing conditions that had been specified to make that claim possible simply had no basis in reality (has to do with the location of the head waters of the river, but I don't remember the exact details).
As I said, I'm giving everyone ample reason for war Cheesy
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2009, 04:54:48 PM »

If I get Delaware I may change her flag Tongue But the rest are great Grin
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2009, 06:37:12 PM »

If I get Delaware I may change her flag Tongue But the rest are great Grin

I'm going to finish the patchwork here (I've tried to get a game based on this engine working before, many times before, so I have various files from the various attempts, going back to 2003, that I need to find and tie in to one another) that'll take me until Friday perhaps. Once I get that we can start rolling, but we still need more players. Invite your friends!
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2009, 07:25:23 PM »

Example Budget. Per-capita spending, based on a GDP PC of $100


Note the following. At this time, nearly all government revenues were tariffs. This is a boring game with only one thing to adjust, hence, as I said earlier, your budgets will include income and sales taxes, etc. Also note, that modern day developing nations draw most of their revenues from public corporations. Pakistan in particular gets in huge sums of money from its electricity generation and distribution company. The down side is artificially high prices for power. I've decided to add both into the budgets, alongside the modern taxes, to make things an even better balance of realism and fun. I've also thrown in modern expenses to again, give you more things to tinker with.




$15    Tariffs
$10    Public Corp Revenue
$10    Income Taxes
$8    Sales taxes
$7    Corporation Taxes
   
$50    Revenue
   
   
$10    Defense
$8    Social Services
$8    Healthcare
$7    Education
$6    Government Operations
$2    Public Works
   
$9    Debt Servicing Costs
   
$50    Expenditure

Tariffs - these are charges on goods that do not appear in your list of things to trade. This means you can charge additional tariffs on these goods if you wish to raise more revenue.

Public Corp Revenue - Things like the post office fall in here. You overcharge your citizens for these services, and in exchange, you get more revenue for the government.

Note, the above two comprise half your entire budget, cutting them deeply may prove unwise!

Income taxes - your citizens are charge a single flat tax on their income with no exemptions. You may adjust the rate.

Sales taxes - a single flat rate charged on all sales. You may adjust the rate

Corporation taxes - like income/sales taxes, this is a single adjustable rate.



Defense - this is the most unique category in your entire budget. Defense has it's own budget, and this is the money that is drawn from your yearly national budget to go into the special defense budget. The defense department budget will be put out later, but in short, it will be the thing that allows you to go to war.

Social Services - all the various nice things the government spends on the people to keep them happy

Healthcare - thats right, government healthcare! Unlike real life (and for gameplay reasons) your citizens will not provide their own healthcare, cut this too far and they start dying off.

Education - raising or lowering this will have a direct impact on how smart your citizens are. For gameplay reasons the changes are accelerated.

Government Operations - This is what you pay the bureaucrats to keep the government running. It includes things like the justice department, and tax collectors. Overspending will tie up your government in red tape while underspending will cause you to miss out on opportunities for revenue.

Public Works - this is building roads. If your planning to "settle the west" you are going to need roads!

Debt Servicing Costs - War is not free, and the war for freedom has its literal costs. This is the debt you've built up over that time. Each new debt comes with a repayment schedule, and each state is on the path to being debt free. Until then, however, this will cost you.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2009, 11:10:47 PM »

I've adjusted the budget to give you more control (and more things to tinker with!)

$10    Tariffs
$10    Public Corp Revenue
$10    Income Taxes
$8    Sales taxes
$7    Corporation Taxes
$5    Property Taxes
$50    Revenue
   
   
$16    Defense
$7    Education
$6    Social Services
$4    Transfers (To your cities)
$3    Government Operations
$3    Police and Justice
$2    Public Works
$9    Debt Servicing Costs
   
$50    Expenditure


$10    Tariffs
These need to be adjusted with words, not numbers. Tell me what your planning to cut.

$10    Public Corp Revenue
I will draw up a list of public corporations and their profit margins, you can then order companies to cut prices, etc.

$10    Income Taxes
Flat rate of 10% with no exemptions.

$8    Sales taxes
Flat rate of 10% with no exemptions.

$7    Corporation Taxes
Flat rate of 10% with no exemptions. (charged on revenue, no profit)

$5    Property taxes
Flat rate of 100 mills, no exemptions.


If you want to add an exemption to Income or Sales taxes etc, you will have to "pay" for it though an expenditure. This allows me to keep the math simple.


Note, I've merged healthcare with social services. I also created a Transfers expense, this is the money you send to your cities. To keep everything simple, you are the only one who taxes, your cities do not tax, so if you do not give them any money, they wont have a cent to spend.


Your current debt load is, in this example, $9 per season (per turn) for 15 turns. This is $90 charged at compound interest at 6%.
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Bacon King
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« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2009, 12:24:06 AM »

I definitely want to play this. And I'll take any state.
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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2009, 04:25:54 PM »

Emperor Awesome, you are Awesome!
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Bacon King
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« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2009, 05:07:34 PM »

I definitely want to play this. And I'll take any state.

I've thought about it and I would really like Massachusetts (preferred) or Virginia. I am capable of the involvement these big states would demand of me- note my frenetic rate of activity in Atlasia as evidence.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2009, 08:02:04 PM »

I'm going to again ask here that NiK, Deeds, and Wyatt submit a second state they wish to play.

If your preference list runs dry, you may end up playing Rhode Island Tongue
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« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2009, 08:16:26 PM »

Ah, I forgot to choose a second and a third State:

Very well - my order of preference is Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire.
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« Reply #46 on: September 27, 2009, 09:52:13 PM »

Connecticut's my second choice.
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« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2009, 10:07:53 PM »

Preferences:


1# NC.
2# SC.
3# GA.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
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« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2009, 10:26:02 PM »

Einzige - MA, CT, NH
Afleitch - DE, NH, RI
Wyatt - NY, CT
Bull - PA, NJ, MA, CT, VA
Fezzy - GA, NY, NJ
Hash - NY, CT, MA, MD, VA
Deeds - VA
NiK - GA
Sewer- NC, SC
Bacon King - MA, VA
Sewer - NC, SC, GA
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« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2009, 10:32:46 PM »

But I'd really really like New York.
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