Why do you support Israel's right to exist?

[Governor PiT]

The Jewish people deserve a safe homeland.

Well, if we consider this only argument, then my advice to "the Jewish people" is to get off from there!! And fast!

This part of the world might be the less safe for them today...

Actually, beside the Zionist justifications, on which I wouldn't debate, I don't feel concerned by that, if we take the only argument of a safe home, then they could have stayed in Europe. The Holocaust, because of the awful (forgive my English, other words may be more appropriate to what it has been) thing it has been, made it. While it burned a lot of people, it burned with them all the anti-semite feelings that existed, (well or at least the huge part of them), and that's a luck we can say that "at least", it permitted this, it created a vaccine against anti-semitism in West, making that West may now be the safest place for Jew, more than ever. And maybe to the point that it becomes sometimes a bit too much when we see the growing paranoia here concerning the anti-Jews feelings.

Yes, since the end of the nazi regime, the only problem that people had with Jews it is about Zionism, it is no more against Jew, the big problem is Israel, no more the Jewish people, which wasn't the case before, before Jews had to face an actual anti-semitism. One more example of this is that, in the first part of the last century, the Arab leaders, seeing that they needed to modernize their lands, called some Jews, because they found they were smart and able to help them to modernize themselves, they even proposed some territories to these Jews then. Unluckily the deal didn't work, and unluckily I've forgotten the references about this historical episode, maybe others heard about it.

Actually, there is no more the actual anti-semitism of before today, there is just some anti-zionism, so this argument of the safe land may be the last to use. After, of course, the Zionist issue became so much passionated that it revived all the old fantasies, but these ones are no more the source of hatred they were before.

Note that here I'm not advocating against Israel, just stating about this argument.

And, no, I'm not really neutral. I think Israel can carry some big improvements in this region, but this to only one condition, that they stop to claim for a "Jewish" state. They wanna continue? May they enjoy their sorrow, and surely their destruction on the long term...

I'm not neutral, I plead for an only state, the creation of a new entity, with the both people, Arabs and Jews, overcoming their identity to create a new one. The f**k, that would be beautiful, and strong. It's them to see...

That is an excellent point. The one good thing good about Israel's as a state rather than just a group of people is  that one can oppose the country while before it was created one would be labeled a racist for opposing crimes despite the fact many are still labeled racist for opposing Israel. It really goes further back to when the Rothschilds got started in the 1700's and even further back the ancient Pharasies. Jewish leadership has always been immoral and corrupt and Jews and only liberate themselves if they turn against the corrupt leadership but unfortounatly the majority of Jews either go a long with them or are silent.

[Governor PiT]

The Jewish people deserve a safe homeland.

Well, if we consider this only argument, then my advice to "the Jewish people" is to get off from there!! And fast!

This part of the world might be the less safe for them today...

Actually, beside the Zionist justifications, on which I wouldn't debate, I don't feel concerned by that, if we take the only argument of a safe home, then they could have stayed in Europe. The Holocaust, because of the awful (forgive my English, other words may be more appropriate to what it has been) thing it has been, made it. While it burned a lot of people, it burned with them all the anti-semite feelings that existed, (well or at least the huge part of them), and that's a luck we can say that "at least", it permitted this, it created a vaccine against anti-semitism in West, making that West may now be the safest place for Jew, more than ever. And maybe to the point that it becomes sometimes a bit too much when we see the growing paranoia here concerning the anti-Jews feelings.

Yes, since the end of the nazi regime, the only problem that people had with Jews it is about Zionism, it is no more against Jew, the big problem is Israel, no more the Jewish people, which wasn't the case before, before Jews had to face an actual anti-semitism. One more example of this is that, in the first part of the last century, the Arab leaders, seeing that they needed to modernize their lands, called some Jews, because they found they were smart and able to help them to modernize themselves, they even proposed some territories to these Jews then. Unluckily the deal didn't work, and unluckily I've forgotten the references about this historical episode, maybe others heard about it.

Actually, there is no more the actual anti-semitism of before today, there is just some anti-zionism, so this argument of the safe land may be the last to use. After, of course, the Zionist issue became so much passionated that it revived all the old fantasies, but these ones are no more the source of hatred they were before.

Note that here I'm not advocating against Israel, just stating about this argument.

And, no, I'm not really neutral. I think Israel can carry some big improvements in this region, but this to only one condition, that they stop to claim for a "Jewish" state. They wanna continue? May they enjoy their sorrow, and surely their destruction on the long term...

I'm not neutral, I plead for an only state, the creation of a new entity, with the both people, Arabs and Jews, overcoming their identity to create a new one. The f**k, that would be beautiful, and strong. It's them to see...

That is an excellent point. The one good thing good about Israel's as a state rather than just a group of people is  that one can oppose the country while before it was created one would be labeled a racist for opposing crimes despite the fact many are still labeled racist for opposing Israel. It really goes further back to when the Rothschilds got started in the 1700's and even further back the ancient Pharasies. Jewish leadership has always been immoral and corrupt and Jews and only liberate themselves if they turn against the corrupt leadership but unfortounatly the majority of Jews either go a long with them or are silent.

Just a precision, to be sure there is no confusion.

When I personally blame the claim of a "Jewish" state, it is because I think it is very bad to shut one state to a notion of ethnicity. I prefer when states are based on principles (maybe my French prism intervenes here). Furthermore, from a pragmatic and I would even say fair point of view, I think it's some madness to wanna keep it in this reality. If they can go for one state non shut to a notion of ethnicity (no matter it is the Jewish one for me), I think they would make a huge step to some big productive progress there.

That's all what I meant, I personally don't buy this notion of corrupt leadership at all.

Well, the government of Israel and the Jewish organizations in the West promote racial Supremacism I get accused of being anti-semitic but I am not even saying that all Jews are racist but most fail to take and stand against what their leadership is doing and that is what causes persecutions throughout history. Many Jews even admired the Rothschilds for their sucess and very few condemed them and when they destroyed Germany's economy and caused them to loose WWI the Nazis were able the capitalize on that to gain power.