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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #150 on: December 06, 2009, 07:56:16 PM »

Present and abstaining.

I generally support the bill, but don't think people who signed contracts with an interest rate reset deserve a taxpayer bailout.  Those who prudently lived within their means and took out a responsible, fixed-rate mortgage to pay for their house shouldn't be subsidizing those who didn't.

Once they get booted out of their homes they will likely be living in public housing.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #151 on: December 08, 2009, 02:11:58 PM »


Sustainable Forestry Act

Section A: Purpose

1. The Northeast region is home to over 40 million acres of hardwood and softwood forests used for construction, manufacturing, energy, and other uses. The Northeast region recognizes that sustainable forestry is necessary to create a healthy and diverse environment and create a lasting industry that continues to provide jobs to Northeasterners. The Northeast recognizes that current forestry practices are unsustainable and that a more reasonable replacement level must be mandated.

Section B: Regulations

1. Forestry (the act of clearing or eliminating trees for commercial purposes) shall be regulated by the region to provide sustainability.

2. The acreage of forestry shall not be allowed below 35 million acres at any given point in time.

3. Forestry on public or private lands by any organization that has not obtained a permit from the Northeast region is hereby prohibited.

4. Any company or organization removing trees for commercial use is REQUIRED to replace the acreage of trees removed at a 1:1 ratio. Companies and/or organizations are REQUIRED to ensure survivability of the new growth.

5. A 5% tax credit is available to any company/organization that prove compliant with the above regulations and publicly commit to sustainable forestry and the preservation of Northeastern biodiversity.

Section C: Non-compliance


1. Any company/organization found violating the terms of this act shall be subject to a fine of no less than twice the amount of estimated damage caused to the region's hardwood and/or softwood forests.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #152 on: December 08, 2009, 03:14:23 PM »
« Edited: December 08, 2009, 05:00:39 PM by Alexander Hamilton »

Stop being such a damn jerk all the time, you worthless hack. I`m letting people read the bill here so they don`t have to wait for Barnes to know what is next. You did the same thing once, except that bill you posted wasn`t even the one we were supposed to debate.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #153 on: December 08, 2009, 05:59:58 PM »

The bill is straight forward, we need to protect our natural environment here in the Northeast. I don't really have much to comment on this, but I would like to let the hardcore capitalists know that this is a pro-business bill. If we are going to remain productive, natural resources must be managed at sustainable levels. If we eliminate our forests at the current rate without adequate replenishment, pretty soon we will be a treeless region. How will we capitalize then? The Northeast would lose jobs... We would lose natives species... We would lose our beautiful natural landscape... Is it worth it? If we implement sustainable policies, we will be able to make use of what nature has given us for as long as we dedicate ourselves to responsible policies.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #154 on: December 08, 2009, 08:20:16 PM »

What would suffice as a minimum fine per hectare?
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
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Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #155 on: December 08, 2009, 09:49:36 PM »

cinyc, do you have statistics to back those claims up? Pardon if I come across as rude, but I did a lot of research about forestry in New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire to come up with the minimum amount of acreage required so I've seen quite a bit of information on the subject. I'm just wondering what your sources might be.
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Alexander Hamilton
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E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #156 on: December 08, 2009, 10:42:53 PM »

In that case, I might be able to drop the restrictions on private lands. Let me know what you guys think.
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Alexander Hamilton
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E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #157 on: December 08, 2009, 11:57:23 PM »

Okay, I'm amending this to strike "or private" from the language of clause 3
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #158 on: December 09, 2009, 12:15:26 AM »

I'll add a Section D, as well

Section D: Public Land Use

1. The Northeast region will no longer be allowed to sell wooded land to private owners.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
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Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #159 on: December 09, 2009, 12:19:56 AM »

I can accept that, but I still wish to see my Section D added.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #160 on: December 09, 2009, 12:21:59 AM »

Section D: Public Land Use

1. The Northeast region will no longer be allowed to sell wooded land to private owners for the purpose of commercial forestry.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #161 on: December 09, 2009, 12:27:16 AM »

New bill:


Sustainable Forestry Act

Section A: Purpose

1. The Northeast region is home to over 40 million acres of hardwood and softwood forests used for construction, manufacturing, energy, and other uses. The Northeast region recognizes that sustainable forestry is necessary to create a healthy and diverse environment and create a lasting industry that continues to provide jobs to Northeasterners. The Northeast recognizes that current forestry practices are unsustainable and that a more reasonable replacement level must be mandated.

Section B: Regulations

1. Forestry (the act of clearing or eliminating more than 10 trees for commercial purposes) on Northeast public lands shall be regulated by the region to provide sustainability.

2. Forestry on Northeast public lands by any company or organization that has not obtained a permit from the Northeast region is hereby prohibited.

3. Any company or organization removing more than 10 trees from Northeast public land in any calendar year for commercial use is REQUIRED to replace the acreage of trees removed at a 1:1 ratio. Companies and/or organizations are REQUIRED to ensure survivability of the new growth.  

4.  Nothing in this Act shall prohibit individuals from cutting up to 10 trees per year for firewood or other personal use on parcels of Northeast public land where such activity is expressly permitted by the laws or regulations of the Northeast.
 
Section C: Non-compliance

1. Any company/organization found violating the terms of this act shall be subject to a fine of no less than twice the amount of estimated damage caused to the region's hardwood and/or softwood forests.

Section D: Public Land Use

1. The Northeast region will no longer be allowed to sell wooded land to private owners for the purpose of commercial forestry.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #162 on: December 09, 2009, 03:03:12 PM »

two years, please. one-year old trees aren't worth much.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #163 on: December 09, 2009, 05:14:28 PM »

Okay, if you amend that, I will likely accept it as friendly.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #164 on: December 09, 2009, 10:54:27 PM »

These changes are acceptable to me; consider them friendly.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #165 on: December 10, 2009, 04:27:00 AM »

Well, I will be very proud of all of us if we can pass this unanimously.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #166 on: December 10, 2009, 05:21:24 PM »

Yes, that is acceptable.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #167 on: December 10, 2009, 05:21:59 PM »

Btw, can someone help me figure out how to fix Section C?
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #168 on: December 10, 2009, 09:19:38 PM »

I like cinyc's amendment, but five times sounds like a really hefty fine. Can I get the opinion of a couple other Reps?
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #169 on: December 10, 2009, 09:31:35 PM »


Me? Ok, the companies that violate the Act will be dicks so a hefty fine is a good fine.

That is true.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #170 on: December 10, 2009, 09:44:49 PM »

That is a great point. I suppose I will have to do a bit of research to come up with a fair rate.
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #171 on: December 12, 2009, 09:31:35 PM »

Give me like 30 minutes and I will have my changes ready Smiley
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #172 on: December 14, 2009, 06:16:14 PM »

Nay
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #173 on: December 15, 2009, 10:07:43 PM »

Aye
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Alexander Hamilton
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,167
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13

« Reply #174 on: December 16, 2009, 11:01:11 PM »

Our regional minimum wage has been set below federal standards. This rectifies that problem and ensures it doesn't happen ever again.
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