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« Reply #2800 on: November 09, 2010, 11:36:34 PM »

I'll pretty much echo Verily here, I support this.

The Lt Governorship is really unnecessary, remove the position, and amend the line of succession to make the Speaker the next in line, but in the event of the Speaker having to act for the Governor in a temporary capacity have a Deputy Speaker who's already a member of the assembly to act in their stead.

 
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« Reply #2801 on: November 09, 2010, 11:39:52 PM »

For the record, I wrote this based off Mideast law. Just changed the region name. Wink

If you move to 6, you may want to keep Lt. Governor and consider abolishing CJO. If you stay at 5, vice-versa. Regardless, I think this is a significant step towards making Northeast elections more competitve.
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« Reply #2802 on: November 10, 2010, 12:26:43 AM »

I'm against this, for entirely self-interested reasons (I was the 8th one elected!)

If it becomes an issue, I'll bow out of the first race this takes effect to increase your chances. Tongue

And, guys, how do you feel about the Lt Govship? Axe it, or leave it as is?

But I want you to be in the assembly!

Also, get rid of it.

And I will be in the Assembly for quite some time - but if I had to choose between a more energetic Northeast, or my own office-holding, I'd pick the former everytime.

For the record, I wrote this based off Mideast law. Just changed the region name. Wink

If you move to 6, you may want to keep Lt. Governor and consider abolishing CJO. If you stay at 5, vice-versa. Regardless, I think this is a significant step towards making Northeast elections more competitve.

As I've stated before, I would much rather abolish Lt. Governor than CJO - the latter serves a genuine purpose.

I'll pretty much echo Verily here, I support this.

The Lt Governorship is really unnecessary, remove the position, and amend the line of succession to make the Speaker the next in line, but in the event of the Speaker having to act for the Governor in a temporary capacity have a Deputy Speaker who's already a member of the assembly to act in their stead.

 

Sounds good - I was mulling over writing a bill adding a superficial title to the most senior Representative, and whomever held that title could take over in his absence.

Anywho, since there's a broad consensus, does anybody mind me amending this bill so that it also abolishes the Lieutenant Governorship?
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« Reply #2803 on: November 10, 2010, 04:02:47 PM »

Another issue - Wormy's motion to impeach Lieutenant Governor Fezzyfestoon.

After this bill, I will give Fezzyfestoon the floor to testify as to why he should not be impeached - once he does so, I'll open up the vote.

Of course, if he does not testify (by a time yet to be determined) then the vote will begin anyway.
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« Reply #2804 on: November 10, 2010, 04:37:09 PM »

Just an odd thought - what about trying a single legislator and a plural executive?  Would be interesting to see how that plays out in practice.
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« Reply #2805 on: November 10, 2010, 05:25:39 PM »

Just an odd thought - what about trying a single legislator and a plural executive?  Would be interesting to see how that plays out in practice.

It's certainly an intellectually interesting concept, but I'd be dubious, honestly, about it's ability to be really effective.
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« Reply #2806 on: November 11, 2010, 10:36:23 AM »

After much deliberation, I will be introducing an amendment abolishing the Lieutenant Governorship as a separate amendment - I don't want it to be attatched to this incase it sinks the support of this bill.
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« Reply #2807 on: November 11, 2010, 08:09:34 PM »



We will now hold a vote on the Making Competitive Elections Amendment. Representatives have 24 hours to vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
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« Reply #2808 on: November 11, 2010, 08:11:29 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #2809 on: November 11, 2010, 08:14:23 PM »

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« Reply #2810 on: November 11, 2010, 08:15:00 PM »

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« Reply #2811 on: November 11, 2010, 08:16:44 PM »


I am interpreting this as an affirmative vote.

Also, due to my work schedule, I likely will be an hour or so late in closing the vote tomorrow (will be closed around 9-10 PM as opposed to 8 PM.)

Following that, we'll allow fezzyfestoon to testify before the Northeast Assembly, hold a vote on impeachment, and then discuss Polnut's bill.
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« Reply #2812 on: November 11, 2010, 08:21:07 PM »

NAY
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« Reply #2813 on: November 11, 2010, 08:21:58 PM »


Why?
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« Reply #2814 on: November 11, 2010, 08:24:00 PM »

I already said why.
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« Reply #2815 on: November 11, 2010, 08:32:51 PM »

Well, I did offer to bow out of the first race this actually takes effect (February, I believe.)

We have three vacancies(provided the other winners don't swear in by the third vote, which I imagine they won't) and half of the winners were those that wrote themselves in without any intention of winning. Turnout has been depressed in recent cycles because of uncompetitive elections - I'm confident you would win re-election, with or without me in the running, in the next few cycles.

Besides, I don't know of any session where there wasn't atleast one vacancy, and there'd be plenty of opportunity to run in a special election. Han, who's now Governor, won in a special.
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« Reply #2816 on: November 11, 2010, 08:41:04 PM »

I should stress that my support of this, as indicated by my vote, is somewhat qualified.

I'm not 100% sure this will arrest a lack of activity or a perceived lack of competitiveness.

You get more competition with a higher participation rate.
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« Reply #2817 on: November 11, 2010, 08:41:13 PM »

Sorry to interrupt here, but....

As former Lieutenant Governor of this great region, I would like to voice my opposition to the proposal to "axe" the position. That the current Lt. Governor is inactive should not be reason to abolish the entire office. The Lieutenant Governor is supposed to serve a real purpose in presiding over the Northeast Assembly, as well as opening and closing election booths.

Better to reduce the size of the Assembly, which is way too large, than to take away another unique position.

That is all.
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« Reply #2818 on: November 11, 2010, 11:10:48 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #2819 on: November 12, 2010, 10:26:40 PM »



The amendment passes!

Ayes: 4

Nays: 1

I open the floor for Lieutenant Governor Fezzyfestoon to testify in his defense, and will be giving him until Sunday, 10:00PM to do so, unless any of my colleagues object and would like it moved to a different time. I will be PMing Fezzyfestoon so he is aware.
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« Reply #2820 on: November 14, 2010, 12:42:16 AM »


Indeed.  It is both "Yes" in Russian and Shiani.
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« Reply #2821 on: November 14, 2010, 10:13:26 PM »



I now open up the vote for the impeachment of Lieutenant Governor Fezzyfestoon. Representatives have 24 hours to vote.
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« Reply #2822 on: November 14, 2010, 10:23:25 PM »

Let me say this as the man who first recommended Fezzyfestoon for the Lieutenant Governorship back in May, to Governor Morgan.

I gave Fezzy ample time to acquit himself, and my vote was very much up for grabs. Yet, despite having posted on other boards in this forum, despite a PM from myself telling him about the hearing, he did not show up and attempt to sway any of our votes. I don't really have much of a choice but to vote...

Aye.
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« Reply #2823 on: November 14, 2010, 10:48:48 PM »
« Edited: November 14, 2010, 10:55:58 PM by Fmr Gov, NE Rep. Polnut »

Mr Speaker,

I consider this to be among the most significant powers bestowed upon this Assembly, Fezzyfestoon was elected virtually unanimously as Lt Governor of this region.

I wish to point this out as we know the step we are currently taking is going against what was the will of the people.

However, the Lt Governor has displayed a lack in interest in fulfilling that role to which he was elected, and has shown an equal lack of interest in defending himself in the face of his impeachment. I was fully prepared to have an open mind should the Lt Governor had appeared before us.

We are granted this power, to use it only in those times when we have exhausted all reasonable avenues, I believe that point has been reached. The vote I cast has been done so with considerable introspection and with the greatest seriousness.

Therefore, in the interest of active and effective government, I vote,


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« Reply #2824 on: November 15, 2010, 01:02:51 AM »

More inactivity encourages abolition of the office of Lt. Gov. I therefore find Fezzy's conduct admirable and befitting of a useless office.

Nay.
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