Northeast Assembly Thread

[Cincinnatus]

I understand you don't care for Napoleon and nor does he care for you, but can we refrain from attacking each other in this thread.  I could care less what you guys argue about in separate threads, because it's not really a concern until it spills in here. 

Wormy, if you would actually provide debate your opinion would be valued [at least to me], if you would actually bother to care.  I won't hold my breath but, it would be nice if we could just debate the bill in question

[Lincoln Republican]

Governor, if you could from now on, please put the text of the bills in a quote box just for visual purpose.  Also, the Speaker is meant to be picked by the Assembly but, unless the decision is challenged, congratulations HC.

The Speaker was chosen by the Assembly.  I was simply casting the tie breaking vote.  If we had a Lieutenant Governor, the LG would cast the tie breaking vote.  Since we have no LG, I, as Governor, am acting within the constitution filling in for the LG in this capacity, therefore, I had the constitutional authority to cast the tie breaking vote.

I do not have the authority to simply appoint a new LG.  The Assembly is supposed to recommend a new LG to me.  I would like to see the constitutiion changed in this matter, allowing the Governor to nominate a new LG, to be confirmed by a vote of the Assembly.  This is of course the same way in the U.S., when there is a vacancy in the Vice Presidency, the President nominates a new VP, who is voted on by the Congress.    

[Napoleon]

I understand you don't care for Napoleon and nor does he care for you, but can we refrain from attacking each other in this thread. 

Please dont put words in my mouth.

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I agree.

[Lincoln Republican]

Please, we must return to discussion and debate on the bill before the Assembly.

[tpfkaw]

I am awaiting Napoleon's lawsuit challenging Winfield's "vote" in the Speaker election, given that he, as governor, is assuming the duties of the vacant Lt. Governorship.

Not the same situation at all. However CJO cinyc's ruling will hopefully address this as well.

Of course it's the same situation.  Winfield is assuming the duties of the vacant Lt. Governorship as Governor and casting a vote.

[Napoleon]

I am awaiting Napoleon's lawsuit challenging Winfield's "vote" in the Speaker election, given that he, as governor, is assuming the duties of the vacant Lt. Governorship.

Not the same situation at all. However CJO cinyc's ruling will hopefully address this as well.

Of course it's the same situation.  Winfield is assuming the duties of the vacant Lt. Governorship as Governor and casting a vote.

Of course it's the same situation if you have a libertarian victim complex. To those of us capable of critical analysis, Winfield is assuming the duties of an office he was elected to, on a temporary basis, so that he can fill the position. Winfield is not assuming these duties to permanently have a vote in the legislature and usurp power. Winfield is unable to appoint a new Lt. Governor until the Assembly recommendation takes place.

[tpfkaw]

Winfield is not the Lt. Governor.  There never was an assembly recommendation during Han's term either.

[Napoleon]

Winfield is not the Lt. Governor.  There never was an assembly recommendation during Han's term either.

I did not say he was. If the Assembly didn't recommend anyone, that is not my fault. Han could have been proactive like Winfield to get the Assembly to act on the Lieutenant Governor issue but apparently this never happened.

[Lincoln Republican]

Read the constitution.

ARTICLE IV - EXECUTIVE BRANCH

xiii) The Lieutenant Governor of the Northeast Region shall be charged with the responsibilities of the Legislative Assembly of the region. He or she shall ensure that the Legislative Assembly has the ability to propose legislation that they are able to be debated on, and voted on during appropriate periods. In the temporary absence of the Lieutenant Governor, than the Governor may take up these responsibilities.

[homelycooking]

Winfield, Cincinnatus, Napoleon, I appreciate your desire to keep this session moving forward, but I see this in the Northeast Assembly Speaker Act and worry that my assuming the job of Speaker is not legal.

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I received 50% of the vote, as did Wormyguy. Neither of us attained a majority, unless Winfield claims that he is a member of the Assembly as well.

I'm sorry, but I only want the proper procedure to be followed, and I don't want to be an illegal Speaker.

[Lincoln Republican]

Winfield, Cincinnatus, Napoleon, I appreciate your desire to keep this session moving forward, but I see this in the Northeast Assembly Speaker Act and worry that my assuming the job of Speaker is not legal.

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I received 50% of the vote, as did Wormyguy. Neither of us attained a majority, unless Winfield claims that he is a member of the Assembly as well.

I'm sorry, but I only want the proper procedure to be followed, and I don't want to be an illegal Speaker.

I would interpret "all members of the Northeast Assembly" to mean all members present at the time of the vote.  All members had ample notice of the vote for Speaker.  As you see, the Northeast Assembly has never had all elected members present, and has Redocmmander even sworn in?

In the event of a tie, the Lieutenant Governor casts the tie breaking vote.  As Governor, in the absence a Lieutenant Governor, I was acting, constitutionally, in the capacity of the Lieutenant Governor, to break the tie.

Anyway, I shall take this matter up with the Northeast Chief Judicial Officer.

[homelycooking]

Well, Redcommander hasn't sworn in, and thus isn't yet a member of the Assembly. That leaves myself, Cincinnatus, Elyski, Wormy and FallenMorgan. I thought a candidate for speaker would need three of five votes.

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That's obviously right, but the Lt. Governor's vote could resolve the tie without bringing it into accordance with the Northeast Assembly Speaker Act. I don't think that law means anything other than what it says, Winfield: a Speaker must recieve support from a majority of the Assembly, active or inactive. Note:

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But, nonetheless, we should take this up with cinyc.

[Cincinnatus]

Despite ongoing debate, the importance of selecting a Lt. Gov should be brought up in this thread.

Therefore, I think we should recommend dallasfan for Lt. Gov.

[Lincoln Republican]

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Then get ALL MEMBERS of the Assembly to vote.

I've tried.

I have been asking the Assembly to elect a Speaker since day 1.  

Are we supposed to wait indefinitely?

This is getting annoyng.

If a member of the Assembly chooses not to vote, we can't force him.

I will invalidate the Speaker election in the Assembly, call for a revote for Speaker, and we will then wait and wait and wait and wait for the Speaker election to be concluded, once ALL MEMBERS have voted.

If that makes everyone feel better, fine.

[Lincoln Republican]

Despite ongoing debate, the importance of selecting a Lt. Gov should be brought up in this thread.

Therefore, I think we should recommend dallasfan for Lt. Gov.

I have asked Dallasfan if he would be interested in becoming Lt. Gov., and he is not at this time.

[Cincinnatus]

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You're acting as Lt. Gov, I have no power to start a vote.  I would certainly like to work with you to get a Lt. Gov in as soon as possible so we can move forward.  As far as the Speaker elections go, the importance of the position is dwarfed by the Lt Gov, and when the winner of the special election has sworn in, I'm sure the problem can be resolved beyond a doubt.

Despite ongoing debate, the importance of selecting a Lt. Gov should be brought up in this thread.

Therefore, I think we should recommend dallasfan for Lt. Gov.

I have asked Dallasfan if he would be interested in becoming Lt. Gov., and he is not at this time.

Hmmm.. That ruins that than.

[homelycooking]

What about NiK? Bullmoose? Obamaisdabest? Seriously, now we're grasping at straws.

[Cincinnatus]

What about NiK? Bullmoose? Obamaisdabest? Seriously, now we're grasping at straws.

Nik is not available.  I don't know about the other two.

[Lincoln Republican]

I had an idea for Lieutenant Governor.

If any current Assembly members are interested, they could resign their seat in the Assembly, their name could be presented to the Governor for appointment as the new LG, and a special Assembly election could be called to fill the Assembly vacancy.

[Lincoln Republican]

Due to the extreme controversy surrounding the recent Speaker election for the Northeast Assembly, I hereby invalidate the previous Speaker election results, and call for a new Speaker election.  The elected Speaker refuses to take the office under these circumstances anyway.

I hereby call upon the Assembly to elect a Speaker, to be elected by ALL MEMBERS OF THE ASSEMBLY.

PLEASE ELECT A SPEAKER!

[Napoleon]

Winfield, you do not have the power to invalidate this vote.

The Speaker can resign if he does not want the office.

[Lincoln Republican]

OK.  

So, homelycooking, if you will not accept the office of Speaker under the circumstances, and it appears to me that you will not accept, please resign, and I will call for a new election for Speaker.

You, of course, are free to run for Speaker again if you so choose.

[Free Palestine]

I second Cincinnatus' concerns regarding the bill.

[homelycooking]

For the sake of continued progress, I will accept the office of Speaker.

I do so with a great amount of regret and hesitation, as I still do not believe that I have been elected properly, with the support of a majority of the vote of the members of the Assembly.

But the time has come to stop my anal-retentive insistence upon making sure that every law is reconciled with reality in the most perfect way possible. In doing so, I have shown a remarkable amount of immaturity, and I apologize for that mainly to Winfield, who has been in the right most of the time while I nitpicked and hemmed and hawed.

I hope the Assembly can forgive me. I would completely understand if they decided to elect a different Speaker at this time, but I hope they could let me get to work at paying the Northeast back its two weeks of time that I so needlessly wasted.

[Cincinnatus]

Shall the debate continue on the bill?