Northeast Assembly Thread

[Cincinnatus]

I will not be supporting this bill, and I don't think any amendment can persuade me to do so, unfortunately.   

Might I ask why?

You may.  How are we paying for this?  What store plans to contribute a desired prize in order to actual make this "buzzer" effective?  Obviously we will have to pay a bunch of money to install these recycling bins, and maintain the "lottery" system.  We should be focusing on recycling efforts inside school's, where children may obtain a life-long appreciation for eco-friendly habits.  Not setting up lottery recycling systems that seem dangerously susceptible to fraud, and require state funding (that hasn't been specified how we shall pay for it).  Fun bill, interesting title, but other than that, I view it as an ineffective proposal that won't provide a suitable solution.   

Well how do we get kids involved in recycling at school? That would also require state funding.

You are correct.  However, it would be an alternative to this state funded proposal.

[Modernity has failed us]

Any interest in working with me to create a better bill?

[Cincinnatus]

Any interest in working with me to create a better bill?

I don't support the lottery system, but I'd certainly work with you on a different proposal.

[Modernity has failed us]

Any interest in working with me to create a better bill?

I don't support the lottery system, but I'd certainly work with you on a different proposal.

Well alright

[Free Palestine]

I think it would be simpler to just have recycling containers placed alongside regular trash cans.  The reason most people don't recycle is because you have to carry your trash ten feet to get to a public recycling bin.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I think it would be simpler to just have recycling containers placed alongside regular trash cans.  The reason most people don't recycle is because you have to carry your trash ten feet to get to a public recycling bin.

This is a better idea.  Having to develop, produce, and maintain these special trash cans wouldn't be very cost effective.

[Modernity has failed us]

I think it would be simpler to just have recycling containers placed alongside regular trash cans.  The reason most people don't recycle is because you have to carry your trash ten feet to get to a public recycling bin.

This is a better idea.  Having to develop, produce, and maintain these special trash cans wouldn't be very cost effective.

Fair enough.

Motion to table the bill currently being debated?

[Cincinnatus]

I think it would be simpler to just have recycling containers placed alongside regular trash cans.  The reason most people don't recycle is because you have to carry your trash ten feet to get to a public recycling bin.

This is a better idea.  Having to develop, produce, and maintain these special trash cans wouldn't be very cost effective.

Fair enough.

Motion to table the bill currently being debated?

You can withdraw a bill at any time before a vote, as you are the sponsor.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

The gentleman withdraws his bill from consideration.  The Assembly will now consider the legislation introduced by the gentleman from New York.  Debate will last for 48 hours.

Stone Wall Preservation Act

The Northeast Assembly acknowledges that stone walls constructed as agricultural and administrative boundaries are tangible legacies of the generations that lived and died before the present day, and in so doing, declares the following:

1. That to knowingly deface, damage or dismantle a stone wall on public property is prohibited, and punishable by a $500 fine on the first offense;
2. That subsequent offenses shall entail four hours of community service for each subsequent offense and an increase in the fine by an additional $250 for each subsequent offense;
3. That any land sold by the Northeast or by any municipal or local government therein to a private landowner may only be sold on the condition that all stone walls located upon the property may not be defaced, damaged or dismantled in the process of the development of the land; and
4. That the Northeast Government shall offer grants totaling $250,000 to historians and scholars who aim to develop registries, maps and archives of ancient stone walls within the Northeast Region.

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[Napoleon]

I encourage representatives to support this.

[Free Palestine]

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I have no objection to this bill, and I don't see any reason not to support it.  The Northeast should protect these ancient stone walls.  I assume the stone walls this bill is referring to are the ones made to memorialize people, is that correct?

[homelycooking]

I have no objection to this bill, and I don't see any reason not to support it.  The Northeast should protect these ancient stone walls.  I assume the stone walls this bill is referring to are the ones made to memorialize people, is that correct?

I'm not sure what you are referring to. My bill is intended to protect walls constructed centuries ago that, at one point, demarcated boundary lines or pastures.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I have no objection to this bill, and I don't see any reason not to support it.  The Northeast should protect these ancient stone walls.  I assume the stone walls this bill is referring to are the ones made to memorialize people, is that correct?

I'm not sure what you are referring to. My bill is intended to protect walls constructed centuries ago that, at one point, demarcated boundary lines or pastures.

Ah, I see.  Thank you for clarifying.

[tpfkaw]

Once you've seen one stone wall you've seen every stone wall.  I suppose it doesn't really matter because the Northeast government doesn't have any "public" land anymore anyway.

[Napoleon]

Once you've seen one stone wall you've seen every stone wall.  I suppose it doesn't really matter because the Northeast government doesn't have any "public" land anymore anyway.

Wrong.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Don't we still have state parks?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Don't we still have state parks?

I found one bill on the wiki that refers to state parks, but nothing that specifies where the parks are.  So no, technically.

[homelycooking]

Once you've seen one stone wall you've seen every stone wall.  I suppose it doesn't really matter because the Northeast government doesn't have any "public" land anymore anyway.

A stone wall is more than just some historical oddity or trinket: its function is embedded within the landscape. Stone walls lose their meaning without a spatial context. The state has the responsibility to act to preserve this element of the Northeast's cultural heritage because each wall, since it is located at a unique place, has historical value.

[Free Palestine]

Not sure if serious...

[tpfkaw]

Seriously, this makes less sense than the people saying nobody should be allowed to cut down trees.  There is nothing special or architecturally unique about a stone wall.

[Napoleon]

Seriously, this makes less sense than the people saying nobody should be allowed to cut down trees.  There is nothing special or architecturally unique about a stone wall.

It makes perfect sense to have areas where no one is allowed to cut down trees. Thankfully we have a great regional park system.

[Modernity has failed us]

I'm very neutral on this bill. Not quite sure how I'm gonna vote yet.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Seriously, this makes less sense than the people saying nobody should be allowed to cut down trees.  There is nothing special or architecturally unique about a stone wall.

Like Napoleon said, it does make sense to protect trees.  No, not banning the practice of it entirely, but preserving nature in select areas.  This bill preserves remnants of history.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Debate time has expired.  Members will now cast their votes on passage of the legislation.  This will be a 24-hour vote.

Stone Wall Preservation Act

The Northeast Assembly acknowledges that stone walls constructed as agricultural and administrative boundaries are tangible legacies of the generations that lived and died before the present day, and in so doing, declares the following:

1. That to knowingly deface, damage or dismantle a stone wall on public property is prohibited, and punishable by a $500 fine on the first offense;
2. That subsequent offenses shall entail four hours of community service for each subsequent offense and an increase in the fine by an additional $250 for each subsequent offense;
3. That any land sold by the Northeast or by any municipal or local government therein to a private landowner may only be sold on the condition that all stone walls located upon the property may not be defaced, damaged or dismantled in the process of the development of the land; and
4. That the Northeast Government shall offer grants totaling $250,000 to historians and scholars who aim to develop registries, maps and archives of ancient stone walls within the Northeast Region.