Smid's Diplomacy Game Thread #3

[Smid]

Gustaf mentioned last weekend that he's travelling and may have reduced access to the internet. I'm presently just waiting on his set of orders. As he is quite a major player, I'm loathe to NMR him and will check again in the morning, at which point I'll publish orders whether or not I've heard from him.

[Smid]

Didn't want to NMR Gustaf because it's a Fall turn and from what I can see of everyone's orders, he's about to lose half his supply centres and will probably dramatically change the direction of the game, but I've extended the deadline and I can't hold off any longer. Sorry everyone for the delay.



France
F Brest NMR
A Ruhr NMR
A Munich NMR
A Burgundy NMR
F Marseilles NMR
F Tyrrhenian Sea NMR

Russia
F Baltic Sea - Berlin
A Galicia - Budapest (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania Hold
A Silesia - Warsaw (*Bounce*)
A St Petersburg - Moscow

Italy
F Apulia - Naples
A Rome - Venice (*Bounce*)
F Ionian Sea - Tunis

Germany
F Holland Supports A Belgium
A Kiel - Denmark
A Vienna Holds

Austria-Hungary
F Trieste - Venice (*Bounce*)
A Ukraine - Warsaw (*Bounce*)
A Serbia Supports A Budapest
A Budapest Supports A Serbia (*Cut*)

Turkey
F Aegean Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Greece
A Bulgaria - Greece
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Greece - Albania
A Rumania Supports A Constantinople - Bulgaria

England
F Portugal - Spain (South Coast)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Picardy - Brest
F North Sea - Edinburgh
F Sweden - Norway
A Belgium Holds



Retreats are required for the French fleet in Brest, but that won't change the status of Builds.

F Disbands three.
R No Change.
I Builds one.
G Builds one.
A Disbands one.
T Builds one.
E Builds two, but has only one unoccupied Home Centre.

I'll get the maps up tonight (and hopefully that will include maps showing builds and retreats, if everyone is online today).

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Wow, France suffered a major setback, to say the least.

     Anyway, since I have Realpolitik on my computer, I can post the maps if that's alright. It seems you didn't post England's orders, though.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Okay, I uploaded both maps.
 
     Also, since I did not build last Winter, I should be able to build this time even though I haven't gained any supply centers in the last year. I have 6 centers & 5 units currently.

[The Mikado]

Even though this is going to help me pretty drastically, it's not the way I'd have liked to have done this.  For one thing, if I'd have known he would NMR, there's no way I would've had North Sea-Edinburgh.  Now, I'll only be able to build in London.

Also, Russia didn't backstab me?  I wish I had known that in advance too.  Teddy, you should've said something!  Now my Northern front is all over the place!  Don't worry, Russia, that Norway fleet's leaving ASAP.

Congrats to Italy and Germany for getting back in the game!

[Erc]

Germany builds an army.

[muon2]

The French position qualifies for Civil Disorder. Under a strict interpretation of the rules, the French disbands are forced on the player. Here's the passage from the rules:

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Strict interpretation would require France to follow the civil disorder rules for their retreat phase as well as for the disbands due to loss of centers. Either Gustav or any other replacement could continue normally in the Spring 1906 turn. The harsh nature of this reading is why I encourage players to submit provisional orders early in a turn then replace those with final orders before the deadline.

With that interpretation, France would be required to disband the dislodged F Brest, then disband the F Clyde and F Tyrrhenian Sea during the build phase.

[Associate Justice PiT]

The French position qualifies for Civil Disorder. Under a strict interpretation of the rules, the French disbands are forced on the player. Here's the passage from the rules:

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Strict interpretation would require France to follow the civil disorder rules for their retreat phase as well as for the disbands due to loss of centers. Either Gustav or any other replacement could continue normally in the Spring 1906 turn. The harsh nature of this reading is why I encourage players to submit provisional orders early in a turn then replace those with final orders before the deadline.

With that interpretation, France would be required to disband the dislodged F Brest, then disband the F Clyde and F Tyrrhenian Sea during the build phase.

     I would guess that Smid has instituted a house rule that is more lenient on NMRing players, since his response to my offer to upload the maps (which I suppose he deleted afterwards) proved that he is aware that an NMRing unit that is dislodged is automatically disbanded.

[Smid]

The French position qualifies for Civil Disorder. Under a strict interpretation of the rules, the French disbands are forced on the player. Here's the passage from the rules:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Strict interpretation would require France to follow the civil disorder rules for their retreat phase as well as for the disbands due to loss of centers. Either Gustav or any other replacement could continue normally in the Spring 1906 turn. The harsh nature of this reading is why I encourage players to submit provisional orders early in a turn then replace those with final orders before the deadline.

With that interpretation, France would be required to disband the dislodged F Brest, then disband the F Clyde and F Tyrrhenian Sea during the build phase.

     I would guess that Smid has instituted a house rule that is more lenient on NMRing players, since his response to my offer to upload the maps (which I suppose he deleted afterwards) proved that he is aware that an NMRing unit that is dislodged is automatically disbanded.

Yeah - I'll keep it open until I've heard everyone's builds and if I haven't heard from Gustaf at that time, I'll disband those three. It really does demonstrate the importance of provisional orders.

I deleted the post accepting your earlier offer, PiT, mainly just because it was housekeeping.

[Smid]

I have received everyone's build orders, except for Gustaf's, so I'm going with the forced disbands for France.

Builds were:

F Disband F Brest, F Clyde, F Tyrrhenian Sea
R No Change
I Build F Venice
G Build A Kiel
A Disband A Ukraine
T Build A Constantinople
E Build F London

[Gustaf]

I apologize for disrupting the game everyone, but I basically had some wild nights in Berlin and didn't have any internet access.

Can I still turn in orders for the next round?

[Lunar]

I apologize for disrupting the game everyone, but I basically had some wild nights in Berlin and didn't have any internet access.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Smid]

Moves for Spring 1906 were:



France
A Burgundy Supports F Holland - Belgium (*Void*)
F Marseilles - Spain (sc) (*Fails*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Ordered to Move*)
A Ruhr Supports F Holland - Belgium (*Void*)

Russia
F Berlin Supports A Kiel (*Ordered to Move*)
A Galicia Holds
A Moscow - Warsaw
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Silesia - Bohemia (*Bounce*)

Italy
F Naples - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Rome - Tuscany
F Tunis - Western Mediterranean
F Venice - Trieste (*Fails*)

Germany
A Denmark - Kiel (*Fails*)
F Holland Supports A Denmark - Kiel (*Fails*)
A Kiel - Ruhr (*Fails*)
A Vienna - Bohemia (*Bounce*)

Austria-Hungary
A Budapest - Vienna (*Fails*)
A Serbia Supports F Trieste (*Dislodged*)
F Trieste - Venice (*Fails*)

Turkey
F Aegean Sea Convoys A Constantinople - Greece
F Albania - Adriatic Sea
A Bulgaria Supports A Greece - Serbia
A Constantinople - Greece
A Greece - Serbia
A Rumania Supports A Greece - Serbia

England
A Belgium Holds
A Brest - Paris
F Edinburgh - Clyde
F English Channel - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F London - English Channel
F Norway - Sweden
F Spain (sc) - Marseilles (*Fails*)

Therfore, after moves, the map appears thus:



Only one retreat is required - the Austrian Army in Serbia.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I find the occurrences in Western Europe this turn bizarre.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

I think I need to wake up and start paying more attention to this game.

[Silent Hunter]

Retreat to Albania, please.

[muon2]

     I find the occurrences in Western Europe this turn bizarre.

It sure looks like the French and Russians had expectations about the Germans, but the Germans had expectations about the English. None of those expectations then came to pass.

[Lunar]

France
A Burgundy Supports F Holland - Belgium (*Void*)
F Marseilles - Spain (sc) (*Fails*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Ordered to Move*)
A Ruhr Supports F Holland - Belgium (*Void*)


Germany
A Denmark - Kiel (*Fails*)
F Holland Supports A Denmark - Kiel (*Fails*)
A Kiel - Ruhr (*Fails*)
A Vienna - Bohemia (*Bounce*)

Austria-Hungary
A Budapest - Vienna (*Fails*)
A Serbia Supports F Trieste (*Dislodged*)
F Trieste - Venice (*Fails*)

lol

[Smid]

With the Austrian Army in Serbia retreating to Albania, the map now appears thus:

[Purple State]

The title of the next Act of this play: Death of an Austro-Hungarian (or Two).

[muon2]

The title of the next Act of this play: Death of an Austro-Hungarian (or Two).

And it's quite a plot twist from the end of 1902. I actually thought that a strong Austro-Italian alliance might prove to be a winning combination. Of course the Spring of 1903 found my thoughts to be misplaced.

And the map now appears thus:

[Јas]

The title of the next Act of this play: Death of an Austro-Hungarian (or Two).

And it's quite a plot twist from the end of 1902. I actually thought that a strong Austro-Italian alliance might prove to be a winning combination. Of course the Spring of 1903 found my thoughts to be misplaced.

Yep, it turns out Austria was an untrustworthy so-and-so...

[Associate Justice PiT]

The title of the next Act of this play: Death of an Austro-Hungarian (or Two).

And it's quite a plot twist from the end of 1902. I actually thought that a strong Austro-Italian alliance might prove to be a winning combination. Of course the Spring of 1903 found my thoughts to be misplaced.

And the map now appears thus:

     It paints an even starker picture to consider that at that point France & Austria were tied for the lead with six supply centers each. I think that I should start doing a power graph based on the SC strength of each country over time.

[Silent Hunter]

The title of the next Act of this play: Death of an Austro-Hungarian (or Two).

And it's quite a plot twist from the end of 1902. I actually thought that a strong Austro-Italian alliance might prove to be a winning combination. Of course the Spring of 1903 found my thoughts to be misplaced.

Yep, it turns out Austria was an untrustworthy so-and-so...

In my defence, I'm still a novice at this.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

The title of the next Act of this play: Death of an Austro-Hungarian (or Two).

And it's quite a plot twist from the end of 1902. I actually thought that a strong Austro-Italian alliance might prove to be a winning combination. Of course the Spring of 1903 found my thoughts to be misplaced.

Yep, it turns out Austria was an untrustworthy so-and-so...

In my defence, I'm still a novice at this.

Tip: never tell Russia you plan to move to Galacia. If you must, ask him if it's okay first