Anti-minaret poster campaign divides Swiss cities

[Tender Branson]

NZZ has a nice mapsy-thing (without the lazy Ticino):

[Hash]

I will be forced to make Italian jokes soon if those rednecks in Ticino don't move their asses.

[Tender Branson]

Ticino finally reporting:

68% Yes
32% No

Seems the Italians are siding with the German-speakers against the Muslims.

[Hash]

Ticino is 68.1% YES. Even more of a backwards sh**thole than Schwyz! Good job, you stupid Italians.

[Tender Branson]

The St. Moritz area (District of Maloja) is only 54% for the ban, in an area that is generally more like 60-70% for it.

Maybe the rich liberals voting behaviour that we see in some American ski resorts as well, or the fact that people who have to deal with tourists or foreigners on a daily basis are less xenophobic than regular inhabitants of eastern Switzerland. Probably more of the last.

[Umengus]

final resuslt:

for: 57 %
against: 43 %

[Tender Branson]

Final results with maps and tabs:



http://www.drs.ch/www/de/drs/nachrichten/ueberraschend-klares-ja-zu-minarettverbot/144576.153976.resultate-minarett-initiative.html

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Disgusting but predictable. I say that we ban cuckoo clocks and oddly... chewy... accents.

[Franzl]

Ok, from now European Swiss should keep their mouth shut whenever authorities in some muslim country would prohibit building of any christian church.

[Meeker]

I'd be curious to see local results for the four towns/cities/neighborhoods that currently have minarets.

[Lief 🗽]

I don't see what's so disgusting about this. The Swiss should be able to control the architecture in their country. They already have laws banning buildings from obscuring the view of the Alps, and this is just another law to preserve what a majority of Swiss see as the image of their country. Similarly, I wouldn't have a problem with Iraq or Saudi Arabia banning Swiss architecture in their cities.

[Хahar 🤔]

I feel bad for the French Swiss. They have to live with Austrians.

[ag]

What is there that I might be consuming that's Swiss? I feel a desperate need to switch to a Turkish substitute. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that I have any commercial link to my ancestral homeland that I could cut

[Filuwaúrdjan]

What is there that I might be consuming that's Swiss? I feel a desperate need to switch to a Turkish substitute. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that I have any commercial link to my ancestral homeland that I could cut

Toblerones? Cuckoo clocks? Um...

[ag]

What is there that I might be consuming that's Swiss? I feel a desperate need to switch to a Turkish substitute. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that I have any commercial link to my ancestral homeland that I could cut

Toblerones? Cuckoo clocks? Um...

Ok, Toblerones - I, probably, consume a bit every 2 or 3 years. I will take care to avoid these now. No cuckoos anywhere around. I have a knife somewhere, but I haven't seen it in a few years (ever since they stopped letting you on a plane w/ a knife, I don't have any use for it). What else could there be?

[Tender Branson]

I'd be curious to see local results for the four towns/cities/neighborhoods that currently have minarets.

There are currently 4 cities with minarets: Zürich, Genf, Winterthur and Wangen/Olten.

The results in these cities were:

Zürich City: 36.3 YES
Genf City: 37.0 YES
Winterthur City: 46.9 YES
Wangen/Olten: 61.3 YES

[Tender Branson]

The Swiss Statistics Office has an interactive map with district results online now:

http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/de/index/themen/17/03/blank/key/2009/05.html

Scroll down to "Verbot von Minaretten".

[Tender Branson]

In Austria there are 3 minarets in Vienna, Telfs and Bad Vöslau.

The latter 2 are very new and were built in 2006, but after protests from locals their height was changed from about 25 meters to about 13 meters and no Muezzin can go on top for prayer.

In Austria it is further state policy to decide if minarets can be built or not. Therefore states like Carinthia (BZÖ/ÖVP government) and Vorarlberg (then a ÖVP/FPÖ government) have banned the construction of minarets in these states.

[minionofmidas]

Cuckoo clocks are German, not Swiss.

You want to boycott something asthetically unappealing and sort of Swiss, I suggest banks.

[k-onmmunist]

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

[Franzl]

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

Why do you hate freedom?

[k-onmmunist]

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

Why do you hate freedom?

I don't. It's them who hate freedom. If they're not willing to allow our women to drive in Saudi Arabia, or for atheists and Christians to practice their rights, then I don't see why we should respect their rights and it's ludicrous that we do.

[Franzl]

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

Why do you hate freedom?

I don't. It's them who hate freedom. If they're not willing to allow our women to drive in Saudi Arabia, or for atheists and Christians to practice their rights, then I don't see why we should respect their rights and it's ludicrous that we do.

1.) Why are individual muslim immigrants responsible for what governments in the Middle East do against Christians? What you're advocating is punishing someone for something they didn't do.

2.) If we're serious about being liberal democracies that care about individual rights, then it doesn't matter what other countries do in that regard. We're supposed to be setting an example here.

3.) Your opinion here is very anti-libertarian, and to be perfectly honest, borderline fascist.

[k-onmmunist]

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

Why do you hate freedom?

I don't. It's them who hate freedom. If they're not willing to allow our women to drive in Saudi Arabia, or for atheists and Christians to practice their rights, then I don't see why we should respect their rights and it's ludicrous that we do.

1.) Why are individual muslim immigrants responsible for what governments in the Middle East do against Christians? What you're advocating is punishing someone for something they didn't do.

2.) If we're serious about being liberal democracies that care about individual rights, then it doesn't matter what other countries do in that regard. We're supposed to be setting an example here.

3.) Your opinion here is very anti-libertarian, and to be perfectly honest, borderline fascist.

1) Try reading the Qu'ran

2) We should care about individual rights, which is why we should challenge them over their theocratic laws.

3) No, my opinion is logical. Also, don't use the word fascist out of context. The fact is, if I'm fascist for saying what I said, so is Islam, and of course you don't want to say that seeing as it might be 'OMG!' offensive to someone.

[Franzl]

1.) Who cares about the content of their religious book? We're talking about individual rights that are being abused by the government.

2.) Whose theocratic laws? Did the Muslims immigrants here in Europe make them?

3.) Incorrect. I very strongly oppose Islamic government in the Mideast. BUT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ISSUE!