Anti-minaret poster campaign divides Swiss cities

[k-onmmunist]

1.) Who cares about the content of their religious book? We're talking about individual rights that are being abused by the government.

2.) Whose theocratic laws? Did the Muslims immigrants here in Europe make them?

3.) Incorrect. I very strongly oppose Islamic government in the Mideast. BUT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ISSUE!

1) You don't think that has some influence on them?

2) Theocratic laws in the Muslim world.

3) Again, I'd hardly describe the Qu'ran as a peace-loving tome.

[Franzl]

I give up. It's like talking to a brick wall.

[k-onmmunist]

I give up. It's like talking to a brick wall.

No. It's talking to people who fail to see the evils in religion that is like talking to a brick wall.

[Franzl]

I give up. It's like talking to a brick wall.

No. It's talking to people who fail to see the evils in religion that is like talking to a brick wall.

That's ok. I'm sure the BNP agrees with you.

[k-onmmunist]

I give up. It's like talking to a brick wall.

No. It's talking to people who fail to see the evils in religion that is like talking to a brick wall.

That's ok. I'm sure the BNP agrees with you.

No, the BNP are actually pro-Muslim. Get it right you fool. Also, the BNP are theocrats as well, given their love of Christianity, which is just as bad. So don't you DARE associate me with those idiots.

[Franzl]

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This is on the BNP's site. It sounds quite similar to what you say.

[k-onmmunist]

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This is on the BNP's site. It sounds quite similar to what you say.

Wow, so what? I'm sure you sound similar to communism on some issues, doesn't mean I should associate you with it. Given that the BNP support a socialist economic policy, nationalism and racism, the fact that you're associating me with them is laughable.

[Franzl]

Now I'm confused. You are now admitting that the BNP is nationalist and racist?

But just a few posts ago, you claimed they were pro-Muslim. Which is it now?

[k-onmmunist]

Now I'm confused. You are now admitting that the BNP is nationalist and racist?

But just a few posts ago, you claimed they were pro-Muslim. Which is it now?

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ISLAM ISN'T A RACE.

Yes, the BNP is nationalist and very likely racist. But, come on, their leader has shared a platform with well known Islamist nutter cleric Abu Hamza before. If you're going to claim I'm a racist for not having a positive opinion of Islam, then fine. In that case, I would be a racist. But the term is not used for that.

[Franzl]

If you're going to claim I'm a racist for not having a positive opinion of Islam, then fine.

As in most debates, you're completely missing the point.

I don't give a damn what you think of Islam. You can piss on the Koran for all I care. It's about protecting the minority from the majority.

Individual rights are at stake here. Guilt by association is absurd. Why should immigrant muslims be refused rights because governments they've never voted for (and btw, even if they had....it's not a reason to go down to that level ourselves.) restrict rights on Christians.

What you're doing here is looking for a reason to support state sanctioned discrimination against Muslims. 

[k-onmmunist]

If you're going to claim I'm a racist for not having a positive opinion of Islam, then fine.

As in most debates, you're completely missing the point.

I don't give a damn what you think of Islam. You can piss on the Koran for all I care. It's about protecting the minority from the majority.

Individual rights are at stake here. Guilt by association is absurd. Why should immigrant muslims be refused rights because governments they've never voted for (and btw, even if they had....it's not a reason to go down to that level ourselves.) restrict rights on Christians.

What you're doing here is looking for a reason to support state sanctioned discrimination against Muslims. 

I don't support state sanctioned discrimination against ANYONE. This issue is rather ridiculous to begin with considering there are only 4 minarets in Switzerland to begin with, which kind of blows the issue to Daily Mail proportions.

[Franzl]

Well limiting the rights of religious minorities qualifies as discrimination in my book.

And why is the number of minarets in Switzerland (I believe it's 2 actually...not sure though.) have anything to do with the underlying principle?

It's the ban supporters blowing it out of proportion, if anything.

[k-onmmunist]

Well limiting the rights of religious minorities qualifies as discrimination in my book.

And why is the number of minarets in Switzerland (I believe it's 2 actually...not sure though.) have anything to do with the underlying principle?

It's the ban supporters blowing it out of proportion, if anything.

Wikipedia claims it's 4. I'm saying the entire issue is blown out of proportion by both sides.

[Franzl]

No, stop right there. You can't weasel your way out here by trying to neutralize the debate by claiming both "sides" are to blame for this.

You have clearly stated your support to limit the rights of a religious minority!

How dare you claim that supporters of freedom are blowing anything out of proportion.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Disgusting.

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

So you want to be as stupid and intolerant as them ? What a formidable libertarian !

[k-onmmunist]

No, stop right there. You can't weasel your way out here by trying to neutralize the debate by claiming both "sides" are to blame for this.

You have clearly stated your support to limit the rights of a religious minority!

How dare you claim that supporters of freedom are blowing anything out of proportion.

Lol. Ultimately, it wasn't the state that was to blame, given it was done by referendum, so unless you're going to go round saying 'SWISS PEOPLE SUCK LOL ' then I don't know who else you can blame for this.

[k-onmmunist]

Disgusting.

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

So you want to be as stupid and intolerant as them ? What a formidable libertarian !

So you admit Islam is intolerant? What a formidable social liberal!

[Antonio the Sixth]

Disgusting.

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

So you want to be as stupid and intolerant as them ? What a formidable libertarian !

So you admit Islam is intolerant? What a formidable social liberal!

Radical islam is intolerant, as radical christianism and radical atheism. Radical islam is just more vocal.

[Franzl]

No, stop right there. You can't weasel your way out here by trying to neutralize the debate by claiming both "sides" are to blame for this.

You have clearly stated your support to limit the rights of a religious minority!

How dare you claim that supporters of freedom are blowing anything out of proportion.

Lol. Ultimately, it wasn't the state that was to blame, given it was done by referendum, so unless you're going to go round saying 'SWISS PEOPLE SUCK LOL ' then I don't know who else you can blame for this.

It doesn't concern me how this ban came into effect.
 
I'm talking about your support for it. How can you justify it and, in that process, not look like a freedom-hating idiot?

[k-onmmunist]

Disgusting.

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

So you want to be as stupid and intolerant as them ? What a formidable libertarian !

So you admit Islam is intolerant? What a formidable social liberal!

Radical islam is intolerant, as radical christianism and radical atheism. Radical islam is just more vocal.

Religion altogether is intolerant, in most cases.

[k-onmmunist]

No, stop right there. You can't weasel your way out here by trying to neutralize the debate by claiming both "sides" are to blame for this.

You have clearly stated your support to limit the rights of a religious minority!

How dare you claim that supporters of freedom are blowing anything out of proportion.

Lol. Ultimately, it wasn't the state that was to blame, given it was done by referendum, so unless you're going to go round saying 'SWISS PEOPLE SUCK LOL ' then I don't know who else you can blame for this.

It doesn't concern me how this ban came into effect.
 
I'm talking about your support for it. How can you justify it and, in that process, not look like a freedom-hating idiot?

Retribution.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Disgusting.

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

So you want to be as stupid and intolerant as them ? What a formidable libertarian !

So you admit Islam is intolerant? What a formidable social liberal!

Radical islam is intolerant, as radical christianism and radical atheism. Radical islam is just more vocal.

Religion altogether is intolerant, in most cases.

So let's forbid to build churchs !

[k-onmmunist]

Disgusting.

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

So you want to be as stupid and intolerant as them ? What a formidable libertarian !

So you admit Islam is intolerant? What a formidable social liberal!

Radical islam is intolerant, as radical christianism and radical atheism. Radical islam is just more vocal.

Religion altogether is intolerant, in most cases.

So let's forbid to build churchs !

Nah. Just let them wallow in their silliness.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Disgusting.

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

So you want to be as stupid and intolerant as them ? What a formidable libertarian !

So you admit Islam is intolerant? What a formidable social liberal!

Radical islam is intolerant, as radical christianism and radical atheism. Radical islam is just more vocal.

Religion altogether is intolerant, in most cases.

So let's forbid to build churchs !

You're one of my favorite posters. Just wanted to get that out there.

[k-onmmunist]

Disgusting.

Good. It's about time the Muslims learned that if they don't tolerate Christianity and atheism, we won't tolerate their religions here.

So you want to be as stupid and intolerant as them ? What a formidable libertarian !

So you admit Islam is intolerant? What a formidable social liberal!

Radical islam is intolerant, as radical christianism and radical atheism. Radical islam is just more vocal.

Religion altogether is intolerant, in most cases.

So let's forbid to build churchs !

You're one of my favorite posters. Just wanted to get that out there.

How surprising!