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Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]
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« on: November 03, 2009, 09:01:26 AM »
« edited: November 03, 2009, 09:39:08 AM by Benwah »

Here is an article to explain you what I'm speaking about:

http://www.france24.com/en/20091102-france-besson-immigration-debate-launched-national-identity-culture

Outside of the electoralist stuff, a few months before regional elections here, which I see it as a bad move for that aim anyways, seems to me that France is inaugurating something here. Moreover, that's a funny question to ask this for a country who built itself since 200 years on universalism. Seems to me that French universalism could have a good life as long as the country was powerful (both Napoleon, 3rd republic, and to an extent De Gaulle), the fact that this interrogation on ourselves comes now that the country has never been so weak since 200 years would be pretty logical then.

That doesn't comes from nowhere, the 2007 presidential campaign has been enough about that too, Sarkozy really tried to build up and identical story telling with his great speech-maker, Henri Guaino, and one of the things that made Ségolène Royal trendy in the PS is that she opened that debate on the left too at the same time.

Well, just comforts what I think, the more an entity is weak, the more the debate about its identity is on.

And, euh, btw, such a debate should never be in the hands of politics...

Oh, and a last thing. The team of the Edition Spéciale, a midday TV show on Canal+, just shew today that on the website which is here to collect all opinions from French on this question all what goes in the sens of a critics of what the govt does in that realm isn't published. They tried to send several comments, some saying that the French identity was the opposite of the nepotism of Sarkozy and some saying that the French identity was all what Sarkozy promoted, only the latter were published on the site. They also had some feedback in that sens from a UMP member who exposed his view while making a built criticism of what the govt did in that realm, censored.

Come on Eric Besson, why do you feel forced to match with this image of "collaborator" that sticks to you...??

Site is here: http://www.debatidentitenationale.fr/
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Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 10:55:56 AM »

Oh, and a last thing. The team of the Edition Spéciale, a midday TV show on Canal+, just shew today that on the website which is here to collect all opinions from French on this question all what goes in the sens of a critics of what the govt does in that realm isn't published. They tried to send several comments, some saying that the French identity was the opposite of the nepotism of Sarkozy and some saying that the French identity was all what Sarkozy promoted, only the latter were published on the site. They also had some feedback in that sens from a UMP member who exposed his view while making a built criticism of what the govt did in that realm, censored.

That same TV show shew today that their anti-sarkozist definition of national identity have finally been posted, because it passed on TV, because the site made appear the title of the show in the author of the message.

And then, they had an other feedback, someone posted a pleasant comment with a French first name, published, that same one posted that the French national identity wasn't the fact that she couldn't find a job because of her origin (thus something plainly true!) with an Arab first name, not published.

And, cherry on the cake. They publish on this site the comments that a politician made on media, without asking him! So, Pierre Moscovici discovered that he posted there, and more of that they don't post the exact quote that they take from media.

That stuff really really really is a bad joke...
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