Poll: Who wins in 2012?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Obama will win. The country will be in dire straits that will make the last days of the Bush regime look rosy, but people are stupid.

Unless the GOP nominates someone who is actually different from Obama...

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Heck, George W. Bush and Calvin Coolidge got re-elected despite two of the weakest Presidencies ever... Obama is a much stronger President than either of those.

Uh, Calvin Coolidge was an infinitely better president than Bush and Obama.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Coolidge may have been popular at the time, but I'm going on a historical assessment of the Presidents. Coolidge was a ticking time-bomb of a President who fostered calamities that would explode after the end of his Presidency. The speculative boom of the 1920s has obvious parallels to the one of recent years -- except that it was more in securities than in real estate. Coolidge did nothing to mute a stock market bubble that began when he was President. Hoover had been President for only six months at the time of the 1929 Stock Market Crash.

The president is not in control of the business cycle. The Federal Reserve set the conditions up for a bust. It was the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations that then proceeded to turn an isolated crash into the Great Depression. Had Harding-Coolidge policy been adhered to, there would have been no Great Depression.

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Wait, the Germans were the ones who got FDR?

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TR and Eisenhower as "peacetime" presidents? Please, you clearly haven't gotten a clue.

(Coolidge was still better than either of them, by the way)

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Maybe not the President, but certainly the political culture. During the 1920s, productivity rose faster than wages. Such itself creates increasing economic inequality, and in the end the super-rich who get the gains can't spend enough to prevent the decline of the economy.  Much the same happened in this decade; in the 1920s the cause of productivity outstripping wages was  the electrification of factories; in this decade it was the use of computers that  made business able to do more work with fewer employees. As a symptom of the trend the Gini coefficient (a measure of economic inequality) for income in the US rose to the high 40s, the highest that it had been since... 1929!

The blame for the initial stock market crash lies squarely upon the Federal Reserve. Coolidge is only guilty insofar as he failed to abolish the Fed.

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Hmm, is this Jeopardy? Who is Roosevelt? Or is it Lincoln?

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They were also both fascistic totalitarian megalomaniacs who started wars that killed lots of people.

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Yes, really. Thanks for the Wikipedia link making it apparent you don't think for yourself.

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They were also both fascistic totalitarian megalomaniacs who started wars that killed lots of people.

What war did Lincoln start?

The war in which he invaded a sovereign nation for no other reason than his own ego and political career.

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What nation?
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Lincoln invaded the C.S.A.

Just like Hitler invaded Poland.

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Lincoln invaded the C.S.A.

Just like Hitler invaded Poland.

The C.S.A. invaded the U.S.

And Poland invaded Germany.

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What's wrong with relying upon Wikipedia for objective treatment of history?

Because an article on Wikipedia about a survey is not an "objective treatment of history".

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At least you are aware of your own ignorance.

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Yes, I do. Dwight Eisenhower was mediocre and Theodore Roosevelt sucked big-time. Calvin Coolidge was better than either of them.

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What's wrong with relying upon Wikipedia for objective treatment of history?

Because an article on Wikipedia about a survey is not an "objective treatment of history".

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At least you are aware of your own ignorance.

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Yes, I do. Dwight Eisenhower was mediocre and Theodore Roosevelt sucked big-time. Calvin Coolidge was better than either of them.

I love how pbrower conveniently leaves out the fact that Eisenhower and Roosevelt had hardons for military interventionism in other nations. Roosevelt got aroused by the thought of sending our navy around the world just to get all the other bitch nations wet for our seacocks of death. And Eisenhower, don't even get me started on how "peaceful" a president he was.

Yeah, T. Roosevelt definitely had some psychiatric issues that made him genuinely love war. And his domestic policies were no better.

Eisenhower was quite the hypocrite considering he allowed the growth of the military-industrial complex all through his presidency.

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And his domestic policies were no better.

The Pure Food and Drug Act and the Meat Inspection Act are so evils!!!11!!!!111!

As part of TR's overall campaign to assault domestic freedom, yes, they were.