Is edwards the best VP?

[??????????]

Sad to see my fellow Marylanders have come to favoring Yankees. And if it was decided to be wrong to secede why did the Military Academy at West Point teach secession to be a legal right of the states?

[ncjake]

whats a yankee?

the same thing as a quickie but you use your hand

[Beet]

But Lincoln said the states never left in the first place! lol

where in the constitution does it give states the right to secede?

where does it say they dont have the right to secede?

Well I guess they could secede if they still gave the government power to tax them, enforce the bill of rights, declare war for them, conduct their diplomacy, etc. etc. etc.

StateRights-- come on, the vast majority of Southerners now agree with the federal position here. Without that, Bush would not even be president of the U.S.

* I'm sure there are some liberal college professors teaching that the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, but that doesn't mean that it is.

[??????????]

After years of brainwashing by the Federal Schooling System. The facts have long since been covered up and white washed so badly no one knows what the heck is the truth and whats fiction. The Knights of the Golden Circle had a lot to do with events in the war. You should read about them they are interesting.

[Kghadial]

But hey, the South was right; states are allowed to secede. But the Union is allowed to declare war on them and beat them into submission ...

Is a Union a voluntary pact or a required pact? Does the Federal Govt have the right to beat up on a sovereign state for using its legal right to leave?

I'm saying that states have a right to secede. Once they secede they are a sovereign nation. The US Congress can vote to declare War on other nations.

So while a state has the legal right to secede, the Union has the right to Declare War on that new nation. That is effectively what happened. The Conferederacy seceded then the North declared War on them and recaptured it.

I agree with that. But I think the North should not have declared war on the South. It was over cotton, not slaves

I'll agree with that. The south could have went on its way to Biblical Theocracy with its high Holy Leaders Prescott, George, and George Bush II

While the North would go on to conquer Canada and join its fellow brother in Socialism (USSR) to stop Germany.

lol perhaps the North and South keep each other balanced .

[Beet]

After years of brainwashing by the Federal Schooling System. The facts have long since been covered up and white washed so badly no one knows what the heck is the truth and whats fiction. The Knights of the Golden Circle had a lot to do with events in the war. You should read about them they are interesting.

Well I'll concede one thing, you've read more about this than I have. Though that doesn't mean what you've read has necessarily been unbiased or true.

[ncjake]

The Knights of the Golden Circle had a lot to do with events in the war. You should read about them they are interesting.

Well the copperheads could have cared less about the southern cause. They were in it to keep slavery in place

[??????????]

After years of brainwashing by the Federal Schooling System. The facts have long since been covered up and white washed so badly no one knows what the heck is the truth and whats fiction. The Knights of the Golden Circle had a lot to do with events in the war. You should read about them they are interesting.

Well I'll concede one thing, you've read more about this than I have. Though that doesn't mean what you've read has necessarily been unbiased or true.

Every book is Biased, show me one thats not (ok not the bible). But some of the stories they tell in school books are outright lies. BTW, what part of MD are you from?

[Beet]

The third most liberal part. The eight district, northwest of D.C., where all the gov't employees live. Why do I feel like I have to apologize? Gov't employees work all their lives for this country. You may not like us, but you need us.

[angus]

No NCjake, I wasn't talking to you.

I want to gather whatever is left of my dignity and I want to apologize to everyone for the language.  I guess I came to this forum looking for a reason to vote for a republican for president for the first time in my life.  I think I just found it.

Thank you all.

goodbye.

[ncjake]

No NCjake, I wasn't talking to you.

I want to gather whatever is left of my dignity and I want to apologize to everyone for the language.  I guess I came to this forum looking for a reason to vote for a republican for president for the first time in my life.  I think I just found it.

Thank you all.

goodbye.

Whats the reason?

[ncjake]

dont leave me hangin bro!

[Beet]

Yeah a Mondale voter going Republican. I would like to hear this too.

[ncjake]

He most likely wasnt old enough to vote for mondale

[Kghadial]

Yeah a Mondale voter going Republican. I would like to hear this too.

yeah i don't think he was old enough to vote for mondale.  But a Dukakis voter going republican is almost as crazy. Well except for those Dukakis voters in WV, they went for Bush in 2000.

[Beet]

Oh okay, I forgot there was more than one organization that had vice presidents.

"I have voted for a female for governor, for mayor, and for vice president.  Have you?  Thought so.  Don't peddle your hate here, mister.  I used to be one of you.  I took off my swastika and became a republican okay."

Kghadial,

What you point out is interesting. That trend actually extends into Southwestern Pennsylvania. Gore lost a lot of counties that went for Dukakis and Clinton. Look at the counties map for Minnesota, Iowa, and Wisconsin, 1988 vs 2000, for example.

Dukakis, while losing 45-53, kept Bush under 60% in all but 4 Western states, while Gore, while keeping Bush to under 48 nationally, was unable to keep Bush under 60% in less than 7 Western states.

[zachman]

How did Dukakis win West Virginia, that seems really contrasting?

Bill Nelson looks like George H. W. Bush

[Filuwaúrdjan]

How did Dukakis win West Virginia, that seems really contrasting?

Because the miners voted in 1988

[zachman]

I would guess that miners would not like a card carrying member of the ACLU. Unions liked Reagan, so I figured they would look at Bush.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Miners don't like right-winger either

[Nation]

No NCjake, I wasn't talking to you.

I want to gather whatever is left of my dignity and I want to apologize to everyone for the language.  I guess I came to this forum looking for a reason to vote for a republican for president for the first time in my life.  I think I just found it.

Thank you all.

goodbye.

So long, jack.