Capital Punishment Abolition Amendment [Passed to Regions]

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Sponsor: Franzl

[Franzl]

Yes yes, this has been tried before, more than once

I'm hoping the likely new amendment passage rules will make this more possible, including registration shifts.

Let's see how it turns out.

[Purple State]

The Office of the GM predicts that this will have no substantive impact on crime deterrence, but will save the nation a relatively moderate amount in costs and court schedules.

[MaxQue]

Yes yes, this has been tried before, more than once

I'm hoping the likely new amendment passage rules will make this more possible, including registration shifts.

Let's see how it turns out.

It would be wiser to wait than the amendment pass before introducing those amendments.

[Franzl]

Yes yes, this has been tried before, more than once

I'm hoping the likely new amendment passage rules will make this more possible, including registration shifts.

Let's see how it turns out.

It would be wiser to wait than the amendment pass before introducing those amendments.

Why? I'd like it to pass, but I'm introducing it again as a matter of principle, regardless of its chances of passing.

[Rowan]

I support the death penalty, and therefore cannot support this proposal.

[Franzl]

I support the death penalty, and therefore cannot support this proposal.

Yes, we have already established that you hate freedom.

[tmthforu94]

Well, here I go, breaking away from my party on an issue...

I strongly support this bill.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Was anyone ever executed in Atlasia?

[Franzl]

Was anyone ever executed in Atlasia?

Well like on every other issue, we do assume that our laws are carried out. So I'd imagine yes.

[Hash]

I apologize for being conservative on this issue. I'm rather law and order. I might vote Aye in the Senate, to allow it to go to regions, but we'll see. And, no, don't give me crap that I hate freedom.

[Fritz]

I support this, but I do not think it will ever pass.

[Franzl]

I support this, but I do not think it will ever pass.

I tend to doubt it as well.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Endorsed for a high preference on re-election.

[Rowan]

I support the death penalty, and therefore cannot support this proposal.

Yes, we have already established that you hate freedom.

Give me a freaking break. Go tell Hash that he hates freedom.

[Franzl]

Hashemite's hatred of freedom is only limited to capital punishment.

In your case, it happens to be one of many issues!

[Hans-im-Glück]

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I support this 100%

[HappyWarrior]

I despise the death penalty but personally I think this is a regional issue.  Just my own view on this.

[Franzl]

I despise the death penalty but personally I think this is a regional issue.  Just my own view on this.

Human rights are a regional issue?

Should we allow regions to also torture their prisoners if they so desire?

[HappyWarrior]

I despise the death penalty but personally I think this is a regional issue.  Just my own view on this.

Human rights are a regional issue?

Should we allow regions to also torture their prisoners if they so desire?

Touche my friend.  I don't really have a good arguement againest that statement.

[Franzl]

I despise the death penalty but personally I think this is a regional issue.  Just my own view on this.

Human rights are a regional issue?

Should we allow regions to also torture their prisoners if they so desire?

Touche my friend.  I don't really have a good arguement againest that statement.

To be fair, I think a lot of (though not all) capital punishment supporters hold their beliefs irrationally, by simply wanting to preserve tradition and/or "burn in hell" revenge feelings.

[HappyWarrior]

I despise the death penalty but personally I think this is a regional issue.  Just my own view on this.

Human rights are a regional issue?

Should we allow regions to also torture their prisoners if they so desire?

Touche my friend.  I don't really have a good arguement againest that statement.

To be fair, I think a lot of (though not all) capital punishment supporters hold their beliefs irrationally, by simply wanting to preserve tradition and/or "burn in hell" revenge feelings.

Thing is I am ferociously anti-death penalty.

[Franzl]

I despise the death penalty but personally I think this is a regional issue.  Just my own view on this.

Human rights are a regional issue?

Should we allow regions to also torture their prisoners if they so desire?

Touche my friend.  I don't really have a good arguement againest that statement.

To be fair, I think a lot of (though not all) capital punishment supporters hold their beliefs irrationally, by simply wanting to preserve tradition and/or "burn in hell" revenge feelings.

Thing is I am ferociously anti-death penalty.

Yeah, I know, good to hear

[Badger]

The Office of the GM predicts that this will have no substantive impact on crime deterrence, but will save the nation a relatively moderate amount in costs and court schedules.

Has the GM considered the lack of deterrence to those already committed to life in prison and still commit heinous capital offenses on prison staff while incarcerated?

EDIT: Perhaps the Senate could consider an amendment allowing the option of regions imposing the death penalty for commission of capital crimes while incarcerated for a sentence of at least 20 years to life? If a jury finds beyond a reasonable doubt both the defendant is guilty and deserves to die for a heinous murder committed while already serving a life sentence, and a robust appeals process finds no error in the trial or other evidence of innocence or mitigation, then maybe justice to the loved ones of the murdered victim demand he be executed. Particularly considering the only optional "punishment" would be solitary confinement. Yes, that's right---solitary confinement as a "punishment" for the most vicious forms of murder.

[Purple State]

The Office of the GM predicts that this will have no substantive impact on crime deterrence, but will save the nation a relatively moderate amount in costs and court schedules.

Has the GM considered the lack of deterrence to those already committed to life in prison and still commit heinous capital offenses on prison staff while incarcerated?

Yes; however note the word "substantive." While this Office does not doubt that the death penalty does serve as a deterrent to some, that number is not large enough to be considered significant or of great value to the nation.

It should also be noted that recent data (2001-2002) collected on prisoner homicides (not exactly your point, but still relevant) were actually highest in those states that had practiced the death penalty since 1976, with Texas having the highest number of prisoner homicides of any other state. (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/shsplj.pdf)