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« on: November 11, 2009, 08:34:43 pm »

I really feel like Thune will run in 2012. He use his conservative principles, values and he can relate to people as a "regular guy".

I think he may run. Anyone else?
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2009, 08:37:43 pm »

Nice post, I was just discussing with someone about him, and was on his Senate page an hour ago.
I think he could run a good campaign, if he gets more name recognation. He's charasmatic and attractive, and has a solid conservative record. However, he doesn't come across as a wacko conservative like some. With a more moderate person as his VP (Gregg, Lingle, Hutchison, Pataki) he could do pretty well against Obama.

As to your question, I also think he'll run, but mainly to set himself up to be nominated for VP and/or 2016.
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2009, 09:27:21 pm »

I can see him as Romney's VP.
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2009, 01:18:36 am »

Nice post, I was just discussing with someone about him, and was on his Senate page an hour ago.
I think he could run a good campaign, if he gets more name recognation. He's charasmatic and attractive, and has a solid conservative record. However, he doesn't come across as a wacko conservative like some. With a more moderate person as his VP (Gregg, Lingle, Hutchison, Pataki) he could do pretty well against Obama.

As to your question, I also think he'll run, but mainly to set himself up to be nominated for VP and/or 2016.

He was elected at the same time as Obama was and the interview said he is a "giant killer" or something since he took down Tom Daschle. I think he could definitely run and do well in 2012, but I'd think he'd do better in 2016.
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2009, 06:35:35 am »

He'd be the VP candidate to turn to if the Dakotas were close and the potential difference between winning and losing the election. Other than that, South Dakota is a media desert and, because of its poor flight connections, a logistical nightmare from which to campaign for nationwide office.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2009, 06:50:53 am »

Other than that, South Dakota is a media desert and, because of its poor flight connections, a logistical nightmare from which to campaign for nationwide office.

Obviously convenient flight connections have been the primary consideration in recent GOP VP selection.  It explains why Republicans never pick running mates from states like Wyoming and Alaska.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2009, 07:53:19 am »

Other than that, South Dakota is a media desert and, because of its poor flight connections, a logistical nightmare from which to campaign for nationwide office.

Obviously convenient flight connections have been the primary consideration in recent GOP VP selection.  It explains why Republicans never pick running mates from states like Wyoming and Alaska.


Dick Cheney took a formal residence in Wyoming as a necessity for running for President (he was then living in Texas, and in accordance with the Constitution the President and Vice-President cannot have official (primary) residence in the same State.

Sarah Palin was a catastrophic blunder as a VP choice, and the least of her political weaknesses was being from a politically-small and isolated state -- unless you attribute her gaffes to jet lag. (She makes them without jet lag, so that isn't such a consideration).

Modern campaigns are now done by air, so being near a major air hub (O'Hare International Airport is about as big as there is) is a huge advantage for the President and his staff -- and the efficiency and co-ordination of staff are both essential to an effective campaign. Such may matter less for a VP candidate who doesn't have much control of the logistics of campaigning for anyone but himself.  The state now matters less than does proximity to an air hub; Obama could almost as easily have campaigned from Gary, Indiana as from Chicago -- but not from Champaign, Illinois. Gary is a post-industrial dump and Champaign is a nice college town, but one is 30 miles from O'Hare International Airport, and the other is about 150 miles away. Airline connections remain treacherous.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2009, 08:17:56 am »

Modern campaigns are now done by air, so being near a major air hub (O'Hare International Airport is about as big as there is) is a huge advantage for the President and his staff -- and the efficiency and co-ordination of staff are both essential to an effective campaign. Such may matter less for a VP candidate who doesn't have much control of the logistics of campaigning for anyone but himself.  The state now matters less than does proximity to an air hub; Obama could almost as easily have campaigned from Gary, Indiana as from Chicago -- but not from Champaign, Illinois. Gary is a post-industrial dump and Champaign is a nice college town, but one is 30 miles from O'Hare International Airport, and the other is about 150 miles away. Airline connections remain treacherous.

Something tells me that in all the conversations McCain and Obama had with their respective staffs over who to pick as their running mates, the issue of "proximity to a major air hub" didn't come up once.  Same probably goes for every other presidential nominee in the past half century.
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2009, 08:39:55 am »

Modern campaigns are now done by air, so being near a major air hub (O'Hare International Airport is about as big as there is) is a huge advantage for the President and his staff -- and the efficiency and co-ordination of staff are both essential to an effective campaign. Such may matter less for a VP candidate who doesn't have much control of the logistics of campaigning for anyone but himself.  The state now matters less than does proximity to an air hub; Obama could almost as easily have campaigned from Gary, Indiana as from Chicago -- but not from Champaign, Illinois. Gary is a post-industrial dump and Champaign is a nice college town, but one is 30 miles from O'Hare International Airport, and the other is about 150 miles away. Airline connections remain treacherous.

Something tells me that in all the conversations McCain and Obama had with their respective staffs over who to pick as their running mates, the issue of "proximity to a major air hub" didn't come up once.  Same probably goes for every other presidential nominee in the past half century.

The great Age Wave, however, will force Republicans to nominate a perfect candidate. Due to the great Age Wave, John Thune wouldn't be a great VP nominee.
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2009, 12:30:38 pm »

Modern campaigns are now done by air, so being near a major air hub (O'Hare International Airport is about as big as there is) is a huge advantage for the President and his staff -- and the efficiency and co-ordination of staff are both essential to an effective campaign. Such may matter less for a VP candidate who doesn't have much control of the logistics of campaigning for anyone but himself.  The state now matters less than does proximity to an air hub; Obama could almost as easily have campaigned from Gary, Indiana as from Chicago -- but not from Champaign, Illinois. Gary is a post-industrial dump and Champaign is a nice college town, but one is 30 miles from O'Hare International Airport, and the other is about 150 miles away. Airline connections remain treacherous.

Something tells me that in all the conversations McCain and Obama had with their respective staffs over who to pick as their running mates, the issue of "proximity to a major air hub" didn't come up once.  Same probably goes for every other presidential nominee in the past half century.



I agree. I don't think people make decisions to run based on "hey, am I near a major airport?"

I think Thune could keep the Dakota's red during an election, but I really don't see the Dakota's being blue anytime soon...unless Obama's approvals are sky high when he runs for re-election.
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2009, 12:42:13 pm »

Thune is on track to be a Senate Leader.  I don't think he'll be part of a national ticket anytime soon. 

And as for the VP issue mentioned above...runningmates aren't chosen with the intent to flip their home state anymore.  Presidential nominees take the "big picture" approach nowadays.
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2009, 12:47:01 pm »

Isn't he a creationist?
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2009, 08:16:05 pm »

Modern campaigns are now done by air, so being near a major air hub (O'Hare International Airport is about as big as there is) is a huge advantage for the President and his staff -- and the efficiency and co-ordination of staff are both essential to an effective campaign. Such may matter less for a VP candidate who doesn't have much control of the logistics of campaigning for anyone but himself.  The state now matters less than does proximity to an air hub; Obama could almost as easily have campaigned from Gary, Indiana as from Chicago -- but not from Champaign, Illinois. Gary is a post-industrial dump and Champaign is a nice college town, but one is 30 miles from O'Hare International Airport, and the other is about 150 miles away. Airline connections remain treacherous.

Something tells me that in all the conversations McCain and Obama had with their respective staffs over who to pick as their running mates, the issue of "proximity to a major air hub" didn't come up once.  Same probably goes for every other presidential nominee in the past half century.


..."Proximity to an air hub" matters far more for the Presidential candidate and his staff than for the VP who doesn't have much of a staff. VP nominees can travel fairly light; Presidential nominees have strategy to discuss with large staffs. It's obviously easier to make a campaign trip to Knoxville from Chicago than from Milwaukee even if the dstance isn't so much greater. Any time that the equipment must be transferred from on aircraft to another is time that could be spent some other way.

It matters greatly for a Presidential candidate even if he goes by private jet; not everyone (like advance men) can be on the same jet. 

 
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2009, 09:31:04 pm »

Hmm, a Bush-loyalist evangelical fundamentalist warmonger from South Dakota? Sure sounds like a recipe for success...
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2009, 02:23:01 am »

Other than that, South Dakota is a media desert and, because of its poor flight connections, a logistical nightmare from which to campaign for nationwide office.

Obviously convenient flight connections have been the primary consideration in recent GOP VP selection.  It explains why Republicans never pick running mates from states like Wyoming and Alaska.


Dick Cheney took a formal residence in Wyoming as a necessity for running for President (he was then living in Texas, and in accordance with the Constitution the President and Vice-President cannot have official (primary) residence in the same State.

Sarah Palin was a catastrophic blunder as a VP choice, and the least of her political weaknesses was being from a politically-small and isolated state -- unless you attribute her gaffes to jet lag. (She makes them without jet lag, so that isn't such a consideration).

Modern campaigns are now done by air, so being near a major air hub (O'Hare International Airport is about as big as there is) is a huge advantage for the President and his staff -- and the efficiency and co-ordination of staff are both essential to an effective campaign. Such may matter less for a VP candidate who doesn't have much control of the logistics of campaigning for anyone but himself.  The state now matters less than does proximity to an air hub; Obama could almost as easily have campaigned from Gary, Indiana as from Chicago -- but not from Champaign, Illinois. Gary is a post-industrial dump and Champaign is a nice college town, but one is 30 miles from O'Hare International Airport, and the other is about 150 miles away. Airline connections remain treacherous.

Iíve never heard someone who is as asinine as you. You are an embarrassment to the American system. Please take shame on yourself, I wish I knew who to write to, I would also tell your family how horrible of a person you are.

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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2009, 02:45:17 am »

Other than that, South Dakota is a media desert and, because of its poor flight connections, a logistical nightmare from which to campaign for nationwide office.

Obviously convenient flight connections have been the primary consideration in recent GOP VP selection.  It explains why Republicans never pick running mates from states like Wyoming and Alaska.


Dick Cheney took a formal residence in Wyoming as a necessity for running for President (he was then living in Texas, and in accordance with the Constitution the President and Vice-President cannot have official (primary) residence in the same State.

Sarah Palin was a catastrophic blunder as a VP choice, and the least of her political weaknesses was being from a politically-small and isolated state -- unless you attribute her gaffes to jet lag. (She makes them without jet lag, so that isn't such a consideration).

Modern campaigns are now done by air, so being near a major air hub (O'Hare International Airport is about as big as there is) is a huge advantage for the President and his staff -- and the efficiency and co-ordination of staff are both essential to an effective campaign. Such may matter less for a VP candidate who doesn't have much control of the logistics of campaigning for anyone but himself.  The state now matters less than does proximity to an air hub; Obama could almost as easily have campaigned from Gary, Indiana as from Chicago -- but not from Champaign, Illinois. Gary is a post-industrial dump and Champaign is a nice college town, but one is 30 miles from O'Hare International Airport, and the other is about 150 miles away. Airline connections remain treacherous.

Iíve never heard someone who is as asinine as you. You are an embarrassment to the American system. Please take shame on yourself, I wish I knew who to write to, I would also tell your family how horrible of a person you are.

And please, when you start Parentheses, you should finish them, you child.

How is he a horrible person when you're the one being a massive dickweed? Why not even address the points made?
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2009, 06:07:37 am »

Why can't the Right recognize that Barack Obama ran a masterful campaign in part because of his superb logistics and his communication network. He knew how to exploit comparative advantages in campaigning. He played margins well and used media as well as anyone. He
played a "beat-the-cheat" strategy so that the Presidential election did not depend upon some futile effort to win one statewide election where a Katherine Harris or Kenneth Blackwell could make the difference by playing games with the electoral process.

If you want a military analogy, then here it is. Armchair generals see military campaigns as arrows on the map.  Real generals talk about logistics and lines of communication so that soldiers have ammunition and food and that colonels are able to co-ordinate with fellow colonels. Troops that run out of needed supplies are killed or captured. Middle-rank officers in charge of units that get cut off inevitably commit huge blunders.

 

 
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2009, 06:16:21 am »

Why can't the Right recognize that Barack Obama ran a masterful campaign in part because of his superb logistics and his communication network. He knew how to exploit comparative advantages in campaigning. He played margins well and used media as well as anyone. He
played a "beat-the-cheat" strategy so that the Presidential election did not depend upon some futile effort to win one statewide election where a Katherine Harris or Kenneth Blackwell could make the difference by playing games with the electoral process.

If you want a military analogy, then here it is. Armchair generals see military campaigns as arrows on the map.  Real generals talk about logistics and lines of communication so that soldiers have ammunition and food and that colonels are able to co-ordinate with fellow colonels. Troops that run out of needed supplies are killed or captured. Middle-rank officers in charge of units that get cut off inevitably commit huge blunders.

 

 


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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2009, 09:54:50 am »

And as for the VP issue mentioned above...runningmates aren't chosen with the intent to flip their home state anymore.  Presidential nominees take the "big picture" approach nowadays.

Also it's not an issue of "the Dakotas". No one in North Dakota cares about Thune or even knows who he is.
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2009, 11:39:31 am »

Other than that, South Dakota is a media desert and, because of its poor flight connections, a logistical nightmare from which to campaign for nationwide office.

Obviously convenient flight connections have been the primary consideration in recent GOP VP selection.  It explains why Republicans never pick running mates from states like Wyoming and Alaska.


Dick Cheney took a formal residence in Wyoming as a necessity for running for President (he was then living in Texas, and in accordance with the Constitution the President and Vice-President cannot have official (primary) residence in the same State.

Sarah Palin was a catastrophic blunder as a VP choice, and the least of her political weaknesses was being from a politically-small and isolated state -- unless you attribute her gaffes to jet lag. (She makes them without jet lag, so that isn't such a consideration).

Modern campaigns are now done by air, so being near a major air hub (O'Hare International Airport is about as big as there is) is a huge advantage for the President and his staff -- and the efficiency and co-ordination of staff are both essential to an effective campaign. Such may matter less for a VP candidate who doesn't have much control of the logistics of campaigning for anyone but himself.  The state now matters less than does proximity to an air hub; Obama could almost as easily have campaigned from Gary, Indiana as from Chicago -- but not from Champaign, Illinois. Gary is a post-industrial dump and Champaign is a nice college town, but one is 30 miles from O'Hare International Airport, and the other is about 150 miles away. Airline connections remain treacherous.

Iíve never heard someone who is as asinine as you. You are an embarrassment to the American system. Please take shame on yourself, I wish I knew who to write to, I would also tell your family how horrible of a person you are.

And please, when you start Parentheses, you should finish them, you child.

How is he a horrible person when you're the one being a massive dickweed? Why not even address the points made?

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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2009, 11:58:55 am »

Other than that, South Dakota is a media desert and, because of its poor flight connections, a logistical nightmare from which to campaign for nationwide office.

Obviously convenient flight connections have been the primary consideration in recent GOP VP selection.  It explains why Republicans never pick running mates from states like Wyoming and Alaska.


Dick Cheney took a formal residence in Wyoming as a necessity for running for President (he was then living in Texas, and in accordance with the Constitution the President and Vice-President cannot have official (primary) residence in the same State.

Sarah Palin was a catastrophic blunder as a VP choice, and the least of her political weaknesses was being from a politically-small and isolated state -- unless you attribute her gaffes to jet lag. (She makes them without jet lag, so that isn't such a consideration).

Modern campaigns are now done by air, so being near a major air hub (O'Hare International Airport is about as big as there is) is a huge advantage for the President and his staff -- and the efficiency and co-ordination of staff are both essential to an effective campaign. Such may matter less for a VP candidate who doesn't have much control of the logistics of campaigning for anyone but himself.  The state now matters less than does proximity to an air hub; Obama could almost as easily have campaigned from Gary, Indiana as from Chicago -- but not from Champaign, Illinois. Gary is a post-industrial dump and Champaign is a nice college town, but one is 30 miles from O'Hare International Airport, and the other is about 150 miles away. Airline connections remain treacherous.

Iíve never heard someone who is as asinine as you. You are an embarrassment to the American system. Please take shame on yourself, I wish I knew who to write to, I would also tell your family how horrible of a person you are.

And please, when you start Parentheses, you should finish them, you child.

How is he a horrible person when you're the one being a massive dickweed? Why not even address the points made?

Because, I'm loud, Fat, Patrimony Hack!

I don't even know what that means...
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2009, 01:46:34 pm »

The New York Times had an opinion article about Thune today...so he is gaining some national media attention for not being a nutjob.
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2009, 06:33:45 pm »

The New York Times had an opinion article about Thune today...so he is gaining some national media attention for not being a nutjob.

Is the C-street boy wonder NOT a nutjob?  I honestly don't have enough information about him.

I was under the impression he was in quite tight with Coburn, DeMint and Inhofe...he was a James Dobson disciple...and he takes the most extreme right position possible when voting on just about every issue.  But I could be way off.  I'd like to know if he supports rape, incest and life & health of the mother exceptions on abortion...or if he would be willing to carve out a more centrist position on gun control...or if he thinks two gay men have as much right to adopt a child as a heterosexual couple.  None of these would make him a leftist by any stretch.

If he's a McCain or Lugar type conservative, I am willing to listen.  If he's a DeMint or Palin conservative, then no thanks.

One thing I think some people forget.  While there are far right, Christo-fascists who act and sound like dangerous crazies (DeMint is a good example) we should remember that there are some pols who share DeMint's every position and point of view...and yet manage to sound and act like they don't.  Mike Pence and John Thune are two of the better examples of this.  This makes them electable in a primary for sure, and quite possibly in a general.
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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2009, 06:55:10 pm »

Hmm, a Bush-loyalist evangelical fundamentalist warmonger from South Dakota? Sure sounds like a recipe for success...
So can anyone please elaborate on how Thune is "not a nutjob"?
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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2009, 07:38:01 pm »

Hmm, a Bush-loyalist evangelical fundamentalist warmonger from South Dakota? Sure sounds like a recipe for success...
So can anyone please elaborate on how Thune is "not a nutjob"?

Or has any credibility whatsoever on fiscal issues.
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