Will Kucinich challenge Obama?

[President Mitt]

Our little pal from Ohio seems to be frustrated by the Healthcare Bill before the Senate at the moment, will the Democratic Congressman from Ohio challenge the Barackster? I am leaning towards yes, I think Kucinich has been pissed off for a long time, and somewhat feels disappointed Obama isn't really going far enough.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

No, I don't think so.

[Sewer]

If he does I will vote for him.

[Mechaman]

If he does I will vote for him.

In the primaries, if for some freak reason he does make it to the general I will vote third party.

[Lincoln Republican]

I really don't know why he would.  Obama is the most liberal President since FDR.  Kucinich should realize that once you get into the Oval Office, things will never move as quickly as some would like, in particular, as quickly as some extreme leftists would like in this case.

Obama is as good as liberals are going to get for some time.

[12th Doctor]

He has to.  He is the only person who knows the secrets to world peace that the aliens imparted onto him.

Plus, I think his ridiculously hot wife deserves a turn as first lady.

[Sewer]

Kucinich had the best speech at the Convention

[sentinel]

He has to.  He is the only person who knows the secrets to world peace that the aliens imparted onto him.

Plus, I think his ridiculously hot wife deserves a turn as first lady.

I agree. His wife is hot. He must be hung like a horse. I have no idea how he got her otherwise.

[Mechaman]

He has to.  He is the only person who knows the secrets to world peace that the aliens imparted onto him.

Plus, I think his ridiculously hot wife deserves a turn as first lady.

I agree. His wife is hot. He must be hung like a horse. I have no idea how he got her otherwise.

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[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

No (normal).  If he did, I think the DNC would do everything in its power to punish him.

[Хahar 🤔]

If he does I will vote for him.

In the primaries, if for some freak reason he does make it to the general I will vote third party.

You live in Oklahoma.

[Mechaman]

If he does I will vote for him.

In the primaries, if for some freak reason he does make it to the general I will vote third party.

You live in Oklahoma.

In 2012 I might not.........

[Mr.Phips]

I hope so. 

[Oakvale]

He might, but he'd get maybe, what, 5% of the vote?

[Ebowed]

Unlike, say, Mike Gravel, Kucinich seems to be a fairly loyal Democrat.

Obama would have to screw up really openly and disastrously to elicit any nomination challenge, and were things to get to that point, someone more mainstream than Kucinich would also be running.

[Psychic Octopus]

Hopefully

Obama is the most liberal President since FDR.

lol

Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton and Truman were more liberal then Obama?

[Mechaman]

Hopefully

Obama is the most liberal President since FDR.

lol

Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton and Truman were more liberal then Obama?

I mean really, Obama has been in office for all of what 10 months and people are already calling him the next coming of full on principle liberalism? I mean really, does anyone remember the first two years of Clinton? I mean really remember it? HillaryCare and Assault Weapons Ban ring a bell? Believe me if it weren't for the Republican Revolution the 8 years of Clinton would've had a different tune.

[Badger]

I really don't know why he would.  Obama is the most liberal President since FDR.  Kucinich should realize that once you get into the Oval Office, things will never move as quickly as some would like, in particular, as quickly as some extreme leftists would like in this case.

Obama is as good as liberals are going to get for some time.

For once, Winfield, we agree completely.

[Badger]

He has to.  He is the only person who knows the secrets to world peace that the aliens imparted onto him.

Plus, I think his ridiculously hot wife deserves a turn as first lady.

Met them both when he came to speak at our county Democratic club breakfast a couple years ago. She's every bit as hot as on TV, and he obviously (and wisely) dotes on her. Particularly as the onetime "boy mayor" is about twice her age.

[Psychic Octopus]

Hopefully

Obama is the most liberal President since FDR.

lol

Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton and Truman were more liberal then Obama?

I mean really, Obama has been in office for all of what 10 months and people are already calling him the next coming of full on principle liberalism? I mean really, does anyone remember the first two years of Clinton? I mean really remember it? HillaryCare and Assault Weapons Ban ring a bell? Believe me if it weren't for the Republican Revolution the 8 years of Clinton would've had a different tune.

I wasn't alive then. My point is that Obama, percieved by reports, is liberal. I'm not saying that the man is the new representation of liberalism or the "Hard left", but he certainly is a liberal.


As for Clinton, he was definitely left-leaning, but only when the Democrats controlled Congress. He increasingly moved to the center afterwards shaped his presidency to be defined as moderate. I have no qualms in saying that he wasn't so much as a centrist, just pragmatic.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

No, he will think twice about running for the third time in a row (especially when that third time features an incumbent Democrat who is running).

[Mechaman]

Hopefully

Obama is the most liberal President since FDR.

lol

Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton and Truman were more liberal then Obama?

I mean really, Obama has been in office for all of what 10 months and people are already calling him the next coming of full on principle liberalism? I mean really, does anyone remember the first two years of Clinton? I mean really remember it? HillaryCare and Assault Weapons Ban ring a bell? Believe me if it weren't for the Republican Revolution the 8 years of Clinton would've had a different tune.

I wasn't alive then. My point is that Obama, percieved by reports, is liberal. I'm not saying that the man is the new representation of liberalism or the "Hard left", but he certainly is a liberal.


As for Clinton, he was definitely left-leaning, but only when the Democrats controlled Congress. He increasingly moved to the center afterwards shaped his presidency to be defined as moderate. I have no qualms in saying that he wasn't so much as a centrist, just pragmatic.

Obama, as hard as it for some people to swallow, is also a pragmatist. Of course he won't go to the centre because at the worst the Democrats lose the House and Senate in 2012 (they have way too many seats in the Senate to lose it by 2010). Sure he may have come across as an ideaologue while campaigning and such but I think that is due to him being from blue state Illinois and not from somewhere like say Arkansas. If Obama had the same Congress as Clinton did it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he would act the same way.

[JSojourner]

Ah, Dennis Kucinich...

The guy I agree with on almost every single issue.  Who I also happen to think it nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake.  What to do, what to do?

Anyway, as to the question...maybe.  But I think it would be more likely that another liberal will step up and challenge the very centrist Obama in the primary.  It will be a token challenge, of course. 

I think it is less likely, but not completely out of the question, that some Democrat with very conservative voting patterns might also challenge Obama.  But that would probably be the same deal -- scarcely a blip on the radar.

As to Obama being the most liberal President since FDR, all I can say is LOL.  Now, I will agree that he certainly campaigned like a liberal.  Especially in the primary.  But he has pretty much governed as a center or center-left Democrat.  Very much like Bill Clinton.  I'm hardly happy about that but when it comes time to pull a lever, if I have to choose between a centrist and a Christo-Fascist (assuming the GOP nominates Palin, Huckabee, Thune or someone of that ilk), I won't have any choice but to vote for Barach a second time.

[Lincoln Republican]

I stand by my assertion that Obama is indeed the most liberal President since FDR.

NEVER FORGET A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT FREED THE SLAVES

[Psychic Octopus]

Hopefully

Obama is the most liberal President since FDR.

lol

Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton and Truman were more liberal then Obama?

I mean really, Obama has been in office for all of what 10 months and people are already calling him the next coming of full on principle liberalism? I mean really, does anyone remember the first two years of Clinton? I mean really remember it? HillaryCare and Assault Weapons Ban ring a bell? Believe me if it weren't for the Republican Revolution the 8 years of Clinton would've had a different tune.

I wasn't alive then. My point is that Obama, percieved by reports, is liberal. I'm not saying that the man is the new representation of liberalism or the "Hard left", but he certainly is a liberal.


As for Clinton, he was definitely left-leaning, but only when the Democrats controlled Congress. He increasingly moved to the center afterwards shaped his presidency to be defined as moderate. I have no qualms in saying that he wasn't so much as a centrist, just pragmatic.

Obama, as hard as it for some people to swallow, is also a pragmatist. Of course he won't go to the centre because at the worst the Democrats lose the House and Senate in 2012 (they have way too many seats in the Senate to lose it by 2010). Sure he may have come across as an ideaologue while campaigning and such but I think that is due to him being from blue state Illinois and not from somewhere like say Arkansas. If Obama had the same Congress as Clinton did it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he would act the same way.

I never doubted that Obama was a pragmatist. We agree on everything so far that we see here.