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Хahar 🤔
Xahar
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« on: November 19, 2009, 09:57:19 PM »
« edited: November 20, 2009, 12:28:27 AM by Luóbótè Bèiĕrdé »

You know what, let's make this totally different. The Atlasian model seems to work; let's do it that way. There will be no more assumed names or biographies. Elections shall actually take place, instead of being simulated.

The Center will be governed by a National Assembly, whose term shall last no more than 3 months. There will be three provinces (to be named later), which shall be governed by Legislative Assemblies, whose terms shall last no more than 2 months. All voting shall be done by closed-list PR. The holding of seats in the National Assembly and a Legislative Assembly is allowed and encouraged.

The head of state shall be the President, and the provincial heads of state shall be Governors. All four shall be elected to four-month terms; gubernatorial eletions shall take place two months after presidential elections. They shall have the ability to appoint and dismiss heads of government, and to dissolve their parliaments.

Obviously, this method will lead to instability, because that is fun. Sign up now.
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Хahar 🤔
Xahar
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 10:23:30 PM »

25 minutes and no views.

Oh well. I'll get this started.

Xahar
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Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 11:00:39 PM »

You know what, let's make this totally different. The Atlasian model seems to work; let's do it that way. There will be no more assumed names or biographies. Elections shall actually take place, instead of being simulated.

The Center will be governed by a National Assembly, whose term shall last no more than 3 months. There will be three provinces (to be named later), which shall be governed by Legislative Assemblies, whose terms shall last no more than 2 months. All voting shall be done by closed-list PR. The holding of seats in the National Assembly and a Legislative Assembly is allowed and encouraged.

The head of state shall be the President, and the provincial heads of state shall be Governors. All four shall be elected to four-month terms; gubernatorial eletions shall take place two months after presidential elections. They shall have the ability to appoint and dismiss heads of government, and to dissolve their parliaments.

Obviously, this method will lead to instability, because that is fun. Sign up now.

Xahar, I have a request. Could you change the game so that the National Assembly elects the President? Just to make it a little different form Atlasia. Smiley

Perhaps we could do that. My reasoning was that if this was done, the National Assembly and President would generally agree. It would be fun to have them at odds; the President's powers, though few, relate to the National Assembly.
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Хahar 🤔
Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 11:42:50 PM »

You know what, let's make this totally different. The Atlasian model seems to work; let's do it that way. There will be no more assumed names or biographies. Elections shall actually take place, instead of being simulated.

The Center will be governed by a National Assembly, whose term shall last no more than 3 months. There will be three provinces (to be named later), which shall be governed by Legislative Assemblies, whose terms shall last no more than 2 months. All voting shall be done by closed-list PR. The holding of seats in the National Assembly and a Legislative Assembly is allowed and encouraged.

The head of state shall be the President, and the provincial heads of state shall be Governors. All four shall be elected to four-month terms; gubernatorial eletions shall take place two months after presidential elections. They shall have the ability to appoint and dismiss heads of government, and to dissolve their parliaments.

Obviously, this method will lead to instability, because that is fun. Sign up now.

Xahar, I have a request. Could you change the game so that the National Assembly elects the President? Just to make it a little different form Atlasia. Smiley

Perhaps we could do that. My reasoning was that if this was done, the National Assembly and President would generally agree. It would be fun to have them at odds; the President's powers, though few, relate to the National Assembly.

True. We could also have a Prime Minister... Smiley

Oh, without a doubt. Appointing/dismissing him would be the other presidential privilege.
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Хahar 🤔
Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2009, 01:15:13 AM »

I think it would be better having simulated elections, so the game doesn't become just a gigantic registration game, where the side that wins is the side that gets the most trolls and zombies to sign up.

The problem is that there doesn't seem to be much interest in that.
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Xahar
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2009, 06:54:55 PM »


You know, the New Center in France is a right-wing party.
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Xahar
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2009, 11:35:00 PM »
« Edited: December 04, 2009, 06:46:07 PM by Мagical Хahar »

Constitution Party: Mint, RosettaStoned, Apollo, FallenMorgan, Alexander Hamilton, NiK
Socialist Party: Xahar, Sewer Socialist, Marokai Blue, Barnes, Al Widdershins
Libertarian Party: PiT (The Physicist), Jbrase, Winston Disraeli, Einzige
Radical Party: Afleitch, Swing Voter, Vepres, gregusodenus
Farmer Labor Party: HappyWarrior, Tmthforu94, NewDealDemocrat
Liberal Conservative Party: NC Yankee
Conservative Party: Smid

We need 7 more members, then we'll start. All parties will need 5 members to run a list, so consolidation of parties will likely be necessary.
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Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2009, 11:46:50 PM »

We would be happy to have you. Smiley

I'm thinking about having no written Constitution; parliamentary supremacy should work fine. Party leaders would be able to expel members at will, but leadership elections would be held every odd-numbered month. Party bylaws would be drawn up by the government.

I think that there are two routes this could go: scrupulously realistic, or Atlasia-style. The former we tried a year ago, and it didn't work. A mix between the two was what existed two years ago, and it failed. I'm thinking we ought to try the latter this time.
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Хahar 🤔
Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2009, 08:44:58 PM »

This is not Atlasia people, although it's fast becoming one.

Given the amount of work Hashemite has put into it, I think much of the steering should be left to him.

But I got this started again! Sad

At any rate, it's Bacon King who's the moderator.
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Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2009, 07:04:30 PM »

Not being Atlasia didn't really work out. We've had two years to try that.
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Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2009, 08:38:09 PM »

Party update:

Socialist Party: 5
Constitution Party: 4
Libertarian Party: 4
Radical Party: 4
Farmer Labor Party: 2
Conservative Party: 1
Liberal Conservative Party: 1

Only one party has reached the 5-member threshold to place a list.
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Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2009, 04:11:06 PM »

'Twill be loosely based on the French Third Republic.
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Xahar
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2009, 05:50:06 PM »

It will be a unitary state. The President will be elected in even-numbered months; he will have the authority to appoint and dismiss Prime Ministers, and also to dissolve the National Assembly. Any one National Assembly can sit for 45 days before being automatically dissolved. The Prime Minister shall appoint the government, which shall be responsible to the National Assembly. If we should choose at some point to create an upper house, the government would also be responsible to that house.
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Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2009, 06:47:02 PM »

That is to be determined. Simulated elections, though they certainly have their merits, may not be feasible.
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Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2009, 09:55:44 PM »

Recall that voting would be by list at any rate. This would decrease zombie effects.

It might be interesting to have a Senate based on the Northern Irish model.
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Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2009, 11:10:18 AM »

Recall that voting would be by list at any rate. This would decrease zombie effects.

It might be interesting to have a Senate based on the Northern Irish model.

What's the Northern Irish model? I was thinking like the Victorian (Australian) model would be a possible way of ensuring minority representation through PR, but not letting the numbers drop to insignificant 4% levels (50 Senators all off the one ballot).

Each lower house elects a certain number of Senators through STV, and the Senators' terms last a fixed number of Parliaments.
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Хahar 🤔
Xahar
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Posts: 41,708
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2009, 01:54:17 PM »

Zombie voters, is it?

That reminds me of Liberal Italy, where certain people had very very large personal votes.
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Xahar
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2009, 11:46:57 PM »


The Labour Party no longer exists. The Socialist Party is rather similar.
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Xahar
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2009, 12:12:28 AM »

You can. However, there's an established party in that part of the political spectrum already.
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Xahar
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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2009, 01:18:54 AM »

That's nice.

However, parties calling themselves Labour are more or less always socialist.
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Xahar
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Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2009, 11:40:21 PM »

You should join the Socialist Party. Smiley
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