McCain vs. Clinton 2008

[Bo]

Read scenario carefully:

Gore wins in 2000. McCain defeats Gore in 2004. The economy goes into a recession in mid-2007, with the financial crisis occuring in May 2008. The Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton against McCain. Unemployment is 8.1% on election day. McCain's running mate is Bill Owens and Hillary's is Mark Warner. How would this election turn out? Respond with maps please.

[Bo]

Anyone?

[Psychic Octopus]

How does Katrina go?

[Bo]

How does Katrina go?

Katrina still occurs on the same date (which I believe is McCain's 69th birthday). However, McCain responds much quickly and more effeciently, and sends large amounts of aid (including food, clothes, and clean water) and also makes sure that the people living near the hurricane zone are evacuated quickly and to a safe location once the hurricane occurs. The American people generally approve of McCain's response to Hurricane Katrina.

[Psychic Octopus]

I'd give the election to Clinton, although narrowly. if 9/15/09 occurs the way it did last year, McCain is done.

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[Bo]

This map seems about right, except I would give Colorado and New Hampshire to Clinton.

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This map seems about right, except I would give Colorado and New Hampshire to Clinton.

with the presumably more moderate mccain, and the Vice President from Colorado?

Also, part of why Colorado went to the Democrats was Obama's dogged efforts to paint it 'blue' (or red in Atlas colors) it's plausible that Clinton would go more for a Southern strategy, especially with Warner on the ticket. all of these factors make me stand by giving CO to McCain.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

[Psychic Octopus]

Louisiana?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Louisiana?

Possibly. The Cajuns wouldn't be horrified away from the Dems by a black man on the ticket.

[Bo]

This map seems about right, except I would give Colorado and New Hampshire to Clinton.

with the presumably more moderate mccain, and the Vice President from Colorado?

Also, part of why Colorado went to the Democrats was Obama's dogged efforts to paint it 'blue' (or red in Atlas colors) it's plausible that Clinton would go more for a Southern strategy, especially with Warner on the ticket. all of these factors make me stand by giving CO to McCain.

You're probably right when it comes to Colorado. Still, I would give NH to Clinton since she would win NH if she won in a landslide as in this scenario.

[Psychic Octopus]

Louisiana?

Possibly. The Cajuns wouldn't be horrified away from the Dems by a black man on the ticket.

Ehh... I am not so sure. That seems like being a bit too generous to Clinton. Perhaps she'd do better, but with McCain's strong response to Katrina it probably wouldn't have won her the state.

[Psychic Octopus]

Clinton: 389
McCain: 149

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Louisiana?

Mr Clinton won Louisiana both election cycles, the second time with a majority. With an unpopular, more moderate McCain and a southerner like Warner on the ticket, it's not implausible to paint Louisiana a light red (meaning she won it with 46-49% or so.) I painted it a light blue myself because it'd be close.

[Psychic Octopus]

Louisiana?

Mr Clinton won Louisiana both election cycles, the second time with a majority. With an unpopular, more moderate McCain and a southerner like Warner on the ticket, it's not implausible to paint Louisiana a light red (meaning she won it with 46-49% or so.) I painted it a light blue myself because it'd be close.

I am not ruling out the possibility, but I find it unlikely.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Louisiana?

Possibly. The Cajuns wouldn't be horrified away from the Dems by a black man on the ticket.

Ehh... I am not so sure. That seems like being a bit too generous to Clinton. Perhaps she'd do better, but with McCain's strong response to Katrina it probably wouldn't have won her the state.

Clinton was only polling about 7 points behind McCain in Louisiana, and that was before any financial crisis struck.

Here we have a President McCain directly overseeing the financial collapse, and no Southerner on his ticket. Clinton, on the other hand, is a well-known name in those parts and has a moderate Virginian on the ticket.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Louisiana?

Mr Clinton won Louisiana both election cycles, the second time with a majority. With an unpopular, more moderate McCain and a southerner like Warner on the ticket, it's not implausible to paint Louisiana a light red (meaning she won it with 46-49% or so.) I painted it a light blue myself because it'd be close.

I am not ruling out the possibility, but I find it unlikely.

The only reason I gave it to McCain was his superior response to Katrina. The way I see it, it wouldn't be called till a good day or two after the election, like Missouri in 2008 OTL. It'd be a nail-biter regardless. All of these goes on the assumption that Hillary goes under yet another metamorphosis and runs almost to the right of McCain.