2000: Al Gore vs. Jeb Bush

[Bo]

Also, Al Gore picks Senator Patty Murray as VP and allows Clinton to campaign for him from January to November 2000 (for 10 months). Jeb Bush picks Michigan Governor John Engler as his VP. Everything else stays the same.

My map:

Al Gore/Patty Murray-296 EV-49.48%
Jeb Bush/John Engler-242 EV-47.14%

[Lincoln Republican]

Bush/Engler                         308
Gore/Murray                        230

A big win for Bush.

Jeb is smarter than Dubya and runs a better campaign.

Murray brings nothing to the Democratic ticket.

Engler is competent and respected and brings Michigan into the Republican column.

Florida is not in question and Jeb wins it handily.

Engler would be seen as someone who could become a good President should that ever become necessary whereas Murray, the mother with sneakers, has really done nothing to warrant recognition as a President in waiting.

[Bo]

Bush/Engler                         308
Gore/Murray                        230

A big win for Bush.

Jeb is smarter than Dubya and runs a better campaign.

Murray brings nothing to the Democratic ticket.

Engler is competent and respected and brings Michigan into the Republican column.

Florida is not in question and Jeb wins it handily.

Engler would be seen as someone who could become a good President should that ever become necessary whereas Murray, the mother with sneakers, has really done nothing to warrant recognition as a President in waiting.

Wouldn't Murray increase base turnout and cause many undecided female voters to vote for Gore? Also, wouldn't Clinton's campaigning for Gore be enough to push Gore over the top? Many people think that Gore lost in 2000 because he didn't campaign with Clinton (or didn't campaign enough with Clinton).

[Lincoln Republican]

Bush/Engler                         308
Gore/Murray                        230

A big win for Bush.

Jeb is smarter than Dubya and runs a better campaign.

Murray brings nothing to the Democratic ticket.

Engler is competent and respected and brings Michigan into the Republican column.

Florida is not in question and Jeb wins it handily.

Engler would be seen as someone who could become a good President should that ever become necessary whereas Murray, the mother with sneakers, has really done nothing to warrant recognition as a President in waiting.

Wouldn't Murray increase base turnout and cause many undecided female voters to vote for Gore? Also, wouldn't Clinton's campaigning for Gore be enough to push Gore over the top? Many people think that Gore lost in 2000 because he didn't campaign with Clinton (or didn't campaign enough with Clinton).

But Angela, in this scenario Al is running against Jeb, not Dubya. 

Therefore, the whole premise of the election changes.

Yes, Murray may help with some women voters, however, she hardly rises to the level of a national candidate.

Engler, on the other hand, is solid and respected.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Roch, do you have a thing for token, unattractive female VP's?

[Bo]

Bush/Engler                         308
Gore/Murray                        230

A big win for Bush.

Jeb is smarter than Dubya and runs a better campaign.

Murray brings nothing to the Democratic ticket.

Engler is competent and respected and brings Michigan into the Republican column.

Florida is not in question and Jeb wins it handily.

Engler would be seen as someone who could become a good President should that ever become necessary whereas Murray, the mother with sneakers, has really done nothing to warrant recognition as a President in waiting.

Wouldn't Murray increase base turnout and cause many undecided female voters to vote for Gore? Also, wouldn't Clinton's campaigning for Gore be enough to push Gore over the top? Many people think that Gore lost in 2000 because he didn't campaign with Clinton (or didn't campaign enough with Clinton).

But Angela, in this scenario Al is running against Jeb, not Dubya. 

Therefore, the whole premise of the election changes.

Yes, Murray may help with some women voters, however, she hardly rises to the level of a national candidate.

Engler, on the other hand, is solid and respected.

What about Clinton's campaigning for Gore? Wouldn't that create a 1-2% swing in the national popular vote? Or did you factor that into your calculations. I remember many people (including on this Forum) saying that Gore lost in 2000 because he did not allow Clinton to campaign with him. Regardless of whether Jeb or George is the Republican nominee, Clinton's campaigning will likely help Gore win over some voters.

[Bo]

Roch, do you have a thing for token, unattractive female VP's?

If you mean Sarah Palin, then Helll no.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Roch, do you have a thing for token, unattractive female VP's?

If you mean Sarah Palin, then Helll no.

Sarah Palin has straight teeth, is in shape, and has a woman's hairstyle. Tokenism of Murray would be just as bad as Palin, the latter of whom was atleast some form of executive.

[perdedor]

Any scenario involving Gore actually campaigning with Clinton results in a Gore victory. Deciding against it was probably the most boneheaded move of his campaign.

[phk]

Probably the same states as in 2000. Though Gore would have stopped trying in FL and tried to go for OH.

[Bo]

Any scenario involving Gore actually campaigning with Clinton results in a Gore victory. Deciding against it was probably the most boneheaded move of his campaign.

I totally agree with you. Do you think that Gore would have defeated McCain if Clinton campaigned for Gore?

[hcallega]

Any scenario involving Gore actually campaigning with Clinton results in a Gore victory. Deciding against it was probably the most boneheaded move of his campaign.

I totally agree with you. Do you think that Gore would have defeated McCain if Clinton campaigned for Gore?

Yes. McCain is not a good campaigner. He's a good primary candidate because specific issues don't matter so much. But he's not a good general election campaigner. Of course neither is Gore, but Clinton would have been a huge factor.