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« Reply #850 on: May 16, 2012, 04:55:08 AM »

A few minor news stories:

In Innsbruck, the liberal FI list (a split-off from the ÖVP) from re-elected mayor Christine Oppitz-Plörer has agreed to form a coalition with the Greens and the SPÖ.

http://www.tt.com/Nachrichten/4792560-2/innsbrucker-ampel-zwingt-vp-in-die-opposition.csp

Austrian ÖVP-leader Michael Spindelegger and BZÖ-leader Josef Bucher have called the Austrian Pirates (who currenly poll about 7% - mostly from SPÖ/ÖVP/Greens/BZÖ) a "bunch of clowns and anarchists":

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« Reply #851 on: May 19, 2012, 12:10:47 AM »

New Carinthia poll by the Humaninstitut Klagenfurt:

41% FPK
30% SPÖ
14% ÖVP
  8% Greens
  7% Others (BZÖ, PPÖ, CPÖ, KPÖ etc.)

http://www.humaninstitut.at/humaninstitut/download.php?file=POLIT_KULTUR_IN_KAERNTEN.pdf
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« Reply #852 on: May 20, 2012, 11:11:36 AM »

New OGM poll (the best pollster) says the following:

71% of Austrians want Greece out of the Eurozone now so they can get back to the Drachme
21% are opposed

http://kurier.at/wirtschaft/4496671-griechen-raus-71-prozent-der-oesterreicher-sind-dafuer.php
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« Reply #853 on: May 20, 2012, 11:30:45 PM »

New Market poll (which didn't asked for the Pirates), conducted last week:



If we compare it with the latest Gallup poll that I posted above and that includes the Pirates, we can clearly see that the SPÖ loses 3 points to the Pirates, the BZÖ 2 points and the ÖVP and the Greens lose 1 point each (3+2+1+1 = 7% for the Pirates). The FPÖ loses nothing and remains at 27%.
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« Reply #854 on: May 22, 2012, 09:24:06 AM »

From last week's market poll

  • Politics in Austria is...
    ...exciting 43
    ...boring 57

  • The Political System in Austria...
    ...could be optimized with small reforms 43
    ...needs a quasi-revolution 57

  • If it were possible, would you reelect the current government?
    Yes 18
    No 53

  • Should the following parties be included in the next government?

    SPÖ
    Yes 63
    No 32

    ÖVP
    Yes 59
    No 31

    FPÖ
    Yes 37
    No 55

    Greens
    Yes 63
    No 29

    BZÖ
    Yes 24
    No 66

    Pirates
    Yes 33
    No 59

    Party of Frank Stronach
    Yes 29
    No 61

  • Do you know what the Pirate Party stands for?
    Yes 36
    No 64

  • Do you know what Frank Stronach stands for?
    Yes 38
    No 62
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« Reply #855 on: May 22, 2012, 10:06:58 AM »

From last week's market poll

  • Politics in Austria is...
    ...exciting 43
    ...boring 57

  • The Political System in Austria...
    ...could be optimized with small reforms 43
    ...needs a quasi-revolution 57

  • If it were possible, would you reelect the current government?
    Yes 18
    No 53

  • Should the following parties be included in the next government?

    SPÖ
    Yes 63
    No 32

    ÖVP
    Yes 59
    No 31

    FPÖ
    Yes 37
    No 55

    Greens
    Yes 63
    No 29

    BZÖ
    Yes 24
    No 66

    Pirates
    Yes 33
    No 59

    Party of Frank Stronach
    Yes 29
    No 61

  • Do you know what the Pirate Party stands for?
    Yes 36
    No 64

  • Do you know what Frank Stronach stands for?
    Yes 38
    No 62

Holy sh*t ! Someone else from Austria on this Forum ? I've waited 6 years for this ... Smiley

Welcome Flocke, where are you from ?

I'm from Zell am See in Salzburg.
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« Reply #856 on: May 22, 2012, 10:13:54 AM »

Oh wow, noch ein Ösi! Wink
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« Reply #857 on: May 22, 2012, 10:19:03 AM »


At the rate we are going, we'll soon overtake you Preißn/Piefke ... Wink

(Franzl, you are living/studying in Munich now, right ? So you are only a semi-Piefke anymore ... Tongue)
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« Reply #858 on: May 22, 2012, 10:22:13 AM »


At the rate we are going, we'll soon overtake you Preißn/Piefke ... Wink

(Franzl, you are living/studying in Munich now, right ? So you are only a semi-Piefke anymore ... Tongue)

It's a rather long story, but I'm back at my real home in Southern Hesse/Odenwald, studying in Frankfurt.
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« Reply #859 on: May 22, 2012, 10:31:15 AM »


At the rate we are going, we'll soon overtake you Preißn/Piefke ... Wink

(Franzl, you are living/studying in Munich now, right ? So you are only a semi-Piefke anymore ... Tongue)

It's a rather long story, but I'm back at my real home in Southern Hesse/Odenwald, studying in Frankfurt.

Ah ok. But I just checked it: You may actually not qualify as a typical Preiß/Piefke - because you live slightly south of the Weißwurstäquator (similar to the Mason-Dixon line in the US):

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Lewis on the other hand would qualify as a Preiß/Piefke though.

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« Reply #860 on: May 22, 2012, 12:28:32 PM »

Welcome Flocke, where are you from ?

I'm from Zell am See in Salzburg.

Graz

BTW this thread seems to be one of the best places to find recent polls on Austria. English or German.
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« Reply #861 on: May 22, 2012, 12:48:35 PM »

If the Pirates let the FPO become the largest party, will Pirate voters realise how innane their opinion is?

Strong Pirates are the only chance to prevent a FPÖ/ÖVP majority. German Pirates may be bad for Red-Green, but in Austria they wouldn't get enough votes anyway.
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« Reply #862 on: May 22, 2012, 01:05:19 PM »

Welcome Flocke, where are you from ?

I'm from Zell am See in Salzburg.

Graz

BTW this thread seems to be one of the best places to find recent polls on Austria. English or German.

Nice city. A friend of mine is studying there.

Yeah, I try to post as many polls I can find from all of Austria (federal, state, local elections). And this for the last 6 years. If you go to the "search" option, you can look for my 2006 and 2008 topics on the parliamentary elections too.

Did you come here to this Forum because of my poll entries on the German Wikipedia ?

BTW: What are your political leanings in Austria and the US ? I'm voting for Greens and SPÖ in Austria and would consider myself a liberal/socialist Democrat in the US.

If the Pirates let the FPO become the largest party, will Pirate voters realise how innane their opinion is?

Strong Pirates are the only chance to prevent a FPÖ/ÖVP majority. German Pirates may be bad for Red-Green, but in Austria they wouldn't get enough votes anyway.

Yeah, but the Austrian Pirates still have huge organisational problems, no money and no programme. They also have to collect 2300 signatures to be on the ballot next year. And they have to hope that the Pirate support doesn't collapse in the next year.
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« Reply #863 on: May 25, 2012, 08:50:14 AM »
« Edited: May 25, 2012, 08:58:48 AM by Flocke »

There is a new poll from Humaninstitut

FPÖ 26%

SPÖ 25%
ÖVP 20%
Greens 9%
BZÖ 4%
Pirates and new parties 16%


Are you satisfied with what parties in parliament have to offer?
Yes 20% No 64%

Are Pirates and new platforms an alternative?
good alternative 46%
not much of an alternative 32%
no alternative 22%

But I wouldn't take it too serious, IMHO Humaninstitut is by far the worst pollster.

Did you come here to this Forum because of my poll entries on the German Wikipedia ?

There were links to international elections on wahlrecht.de, I think. And I remembered this site, when it was mentioned in a video about the Geography of United States Elections.

BTW: What are your political leanings in Austria and the US ? I'm voting for Greens and SPÖ in Austria and would consider myself a liberal/socialist Democrat in the US.

At federal level: Greens, for the lack of better options. I would consider voting SPÖ, if I could cast a Vorzugsstimme for a Sektion 8 member, but Faymann, Rudas and Niko Pelinka...

Yeah, but the Austrian Pirates still have huge organisational problems, no money and no programme. They also have to collect 2300 signatures to be on the ballot next year. And they have to hope that the Pirate support doesn't collapse in the next year.
People would immediately stop critcising German Pirates, if they knew their Austrian counterparts.(Did you read Der Standard's  "Echte Piraten dürfen nicht raufen"?)

Getting enough signatures in Austria is hard, but it shouldn't be a problem, when you are polling over 4%. I still think they can do even better than in Germany, because disappointment with the traditional parties is much higher here. Although their chances are best, if voters assume, that they are just like German Pirates.
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« Reply #864 on: May 25, 2012, 11:31:33 AM »

There is a new poll from Humaninstitut

FPÖ 26%

SPÖ 25%
ÖVP 20%
Greens 9%
BZÖ 4%
Pirates and new parties 16%


Are you satisfied with what parties in parliament have to offer?
Yes 20% No 64%

Are Pirates and new platforms an alternative?
good alternative 46%
not much of an alternative 32%
no alternative 22%

But I wouldn't take it too serious, IMHO Humaninstitut is by far the worst pollster.

I agree with you. The Humaninstitut is from Klagenfurt (Carinthia) and they have always shown unrealistically high numbers for the BZÖ, for example in the Styria state election in 2010 when they had them at 6% or so and they only got 2.5%.

Not that this result is THAT out of question: A Gallup poll a few weeks ago also showed that the Pirates and a Stronach party would get 7% each.

BTW: What are your political leanings in Austria and the US ? I'm voting for Greens and SPÖ in Austria and would consider myself a liberal/socialist Democrat in the US.

At federal level: Greens, for the lack of better options. I would consider voting SPÖ, if I could cast a Vorzugsstimme for a Sektion 8 member, but Faymann, Rudas and Niko Pelinka...

For Niki Kowall maybe ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPRUU3CYGx8

Yeah, but the Austrian Pirates still have huge organisational problems, no money and no programme. They also have to collect 2300 signatures to be on the ballot next year. And they have to hope that the Pirate support doesn't collapse in the next year.
People would immediately stop critcising German Pirates, if they knew their Austrian counterparts.(Did you read Der Standard's  "Echte Piraten dürfen nicht raufen"?)

Getting enough signatures in Austria is hard, but it shouldn't be a problem, when you are polling over 4%. I still think they can do even better than in Germany, because disappointment with the traditional parties is much higher here. Although their chances are best, if voters assume, that they are just like German Pirates.

Yeah, just read it. Their situation is really bad:

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Of course, if you are polling at 7% - getting 2300 signatures should not be too hard. But considering that you need a certain amount of signatures in every state from 100 in Burgenland to 500 in Vienna and you also consider that some states don't even have a local chapter at the moment, they can still fail to pass even this "very easy" barrier.
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« Reply #865 on: May 25, 2012, 11:45:56 AM »

Here is a more detailed breakdown of the Austrian Pirates and the formation of their state chapters:



Burgenland: has no Pirate Party yet

Carinthia: has no Pirate Party yet, because there are not enough people interested. In June the creation of a party is planned

Upper Austria: There's a party since Oct. 2011 and a party convention will be held this Saturday

Tyrol: The Pirates in Innsbruck won a seat in the latest city council election, but the state Pirate Party is a seperatist one and is not getting along with the federal party (they got thrown out of the federal party).

Vorarlberg: The Pirates exist since 2010, but the party was founded anew this year with new members.

The Pirate Party in Salzburg, Lower Austria and Styria all exist since May 2012.

The Vienna Pirate Party is the oldest (2006) and has the most members (146).

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/innenpolitik/760349/Am-Stammtisch-der-Piraten_Chaos-als-Parteiprogramm
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« Reply #866 on: May 27, 2012, 12:23:47 AM »

FPÖ losing again, because of Martin Graf's recent financial scandals (Graf is a FPÖ-member and a de-facto Nazi and also the 3rd parliamentary president who cannot be removed from his post by the constitution):



71% of Austrians want Graf to step down (even 65% of FPÖ voters want it). Graf has said he has no intention of doing so.

Looks like the publicity about the Pirates and their incredible chaos is now also having some effect, as they are dropping from 7% to 5%.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Affaere-Graf-kostet-FPOe-Platz-eins/67238666
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« Reply #867 on: May 28, 2012, 12:02:46 PM »

Yay !

ÖVP-boss Spindelegger now wants a referendum ahead of the 2013 elections on the introduction of mandatory referendums - after petition drives have gathered a significant number of signatures (of course he doesn't say how many signatures that would be).

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« Reply #868 on: May 30, 2012, 08:32:25 AM »

The Black-Green coalition in Graz broke up today.

Mayor Nagl (ÖVP) wanted a referendum for a land purchase by the end on June, the Greens, like all other parties opposed the date, and favored September.

The next election is planned for January 2013, but a snap election after the summer is possible.

last poll from April (see page 55)

ÖVP 34%
FPÖ 16%
SPÖ 15%
Greens 14%
KPÖ 12%
Others (Pirates, BZÖ) 9%
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« Reply #869 on: May 30, 2012, 08:49:29 AM »

Interesting, but still somewhat predictable.

Weren't there problems already before in the Black-Green coalitions regarding the Umweltzone and the Murkraftwerk ?

So, who will be the winners of this ? FPÖ, KPÖ and Pirates ? Even though I doubt that the FPÖ will come anywhere close to the 27% they got in Graz in 1998 ...
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« Reply #870 on: June 01, 2012, 03:19:20 PM »

New Vienna poll by Karmasin for "Heute" newspaper:



Direct vote for Mayor:

40% Michael Häupl (SPÖ)
18% H.C. Strache (FPÖ)
  8% Maria Vassilakou (Greens)
  7% Manfred Juraczka (ÖVP)

http://www.heute.at/news/politik/art23660,720856

The poll also says that if Johann Gudenus is the FPÖ-frontrunner instead of Strache, Häupl's percentage drops to 37% (without mentioning what percentage Gudenus would get). Johann Gudenus is the son of the Nazi John Gudenus and a rising star within the Vienna FPÖ. If Strache one day decides to step aside as Austrian FPÖ leader, the young Gudenus would be a good bet for his successor.
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« Reply #871 on: June 02, 2012, 12:49:30 PM »

A new poll by Karmasin for "Profil" magazine shows the FPÖ in 3rd place for the first time in a few months (probably the Martin Graf fallout):

30% SPÖ
25% ÖVP
24% FPÖ
12% Greens
  3% BZÖ
  6% Others

Direct vote for Chancellor:

23% Faymann (SPÖ)
16% Spindelegger (ÖVP)
11% Strache (FPÖ)
  5% Glawischnig (Greens)

http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20120602_OTS0007/profil-umfrage-fpoe-seit-langem-wieder-auf-platz-drei

"Do you think the introduction of the Euro was a mistake ?"

34% Yes
57% No
  9% Undecided

"Do you think the EU should implement spending policies to push economic growth as a supplemental for austerity/savings measures ?"

58% spending & austerity measures
29% only austerity/savings measures
13% undecided

http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20120602_OTS0009/profil-umfrage-jeder-dritte-oesterreicher-haelt-euro-einfuehrung-fuer-fehler
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« Reply #872 on: June 04, 2012, 12:23:36 PM »
« Edited: June 04, 2012, 12:28:21 PM by Flocke »

Tyrol state poll by Karmasin (actually the same pollster as Gallup with a different name, Karmasin is a franchise holder)

ÖVP 40%
FPÖ 17%
SPÖ 16%
Greens 13%
Dinkhauser's list 8%
Pirates 4%
Gurgiser's list 2%

Vote for Governor (hypothetical)
Günther Platter (ÖVP, current governor) 31%
Karl-Heinz Töchterle (ÖVP, federal minister of science) 16%
Christine Oppitz-Plörer (For Innsbruck, Innsbruck mayor) 14%
Fritz Dinkhauser 10%
Hannes Gschwentner (SPÖ) 7%
Gebi Mair (Greens) 3%
Others (ÖVP) 12%
Others (SPÖ) 4%
Others (Greens) 3%

Remarkable result for a conservative stronghold:

Future of the Hypo Tyrol Bank
41% Keep it 100% state property
26% The State of Tyrol should keep the majority of shares
22% Privatization

Pirates 4%. Which pirates? The Pirate Party Tyrol was the former state organization of the Austrian Pirates until they where excluded in 2011. And Andreas Ofer, who won the seat in Innsbruck, lost his position as a leader of the Tyrolian Pirates, at a party convention, which in his opinion wasn't legally summoned.

Dinkhauser is a former ÖVP member, and Gurgiser won a seat on Dinkhauser's list. Another ÖVP-splinter is on it's way, "For Innsbruck", who won the mayoral election in the state's capital. They used to to act only at local level, and their founder became a ÖVP State Governor. But that has changed since they decided to form a government with SPÖ and Greens. "For Innsbruck" members lost all their positions within the state's ÖVP. There are rumors that they could participate in the state elections next year, or even at federal level as a liberal-conservative party.

Governor Platter had an awkward visit at the  Austrian Soccer National Team's training camp, when he began talking in English with David Alaba, Austria's footballer of the year 2011, born to a Nigerian father and a Filipino mother. The Bayern Munich player responded, "You can talk German to me, I'am an Austrian". Platter later apologized, "I'm no soccer expert". (But to pretend that was the whole point of the visit)


Martin Graf (FPÖ), Third President of the National Council, elected with votes from SPÖ and ÖVP despite of being a member f Burschenschaft Olympia a right-wing fraternity, that invites people like David Irving and a songwriter, famous for songs like "With 6 million Jews the fun just begins". He apparently swindled a 90-year old lady. She was convinced to bring all her assets into a foundation and make Graf the head of it. He used this foundation to buy a building in an upper-class district, in which "Cafe-Restaurant Graf" is located. The name is no coincidence, it's operated by his brother and he himself holds shares. The rent is not always paid in time, but the foundation has been very generous, at least to them. The former millionaire got a payout of 5000 Euros in 2011, and not a single cent in 2012.

Weren't there problems already before in the Black-Green coalitions regarding the Umweltzone and the Murkraftwerk ?

So, who will be the winners of this ? FPÖ, KPÖ and Pirates ? Even though I doubt that the FPÖ will come anywhere close to the 27% they got in Graz in 1998 ...

Whoever is able to motivate non-voters, as there were a lot of them in 2008 and maybe even more in the next election. So FPÖ, KPÖ and Pirates are a good guess, sooner elections would favor ÖVP, later SPÖ. In 1998 the city FPÖ was much more moderate than the federal party, but the last of those left with Winter's Mohamed remarks.
The chairman of the SPÖ group in the city council is openly talking about appointments they could get out of this situation, and he changed his opinion on the referendum within almost 12 hours. Party head Martina Schröck is not very pleased about this and acts more reversed. There are also tensions within ÖVP, where some believe the decision was made by a Nagl adviser and head of an advertising agency. The alternative version is, that SPÖ State Governor Voves and his ÖVP deputy are acting from behind. They fear a hard SPÖ vs. ÖVP confrontation in Graz could hurt the image of their successful partnership. In addition an election in Graz 2012 makes it more likely that Nagl stands in the 2015 state elections. Voves' likely successor Bettina Vollath and Nagl know each other since their scouting days, so there is the hope the coalition could keep on working without much frictions. That's what Kleine Zeitung, the major newspaper in Styria is writing, who are surprisingly unbiased towards Nagl.
Murkraftwerk: I think there are enough signatures for a referendum about the hydro-electrical power plant to take place.
Umweltzone: Is supported by Voves/Schützenhöfer and was promoted by Nagl. Nevertheless he named it as one of his reasons.
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« Reply #873 on: June 04, 2012, 01:28:51 PM »

Governor Platter had an awkward visit at the  Austrian Soccer National Team's training camp, when he began talking in English with David Alaba, Austria's footballer of the year 2011, born to a Nigerian father and a Filipino mother. The Bayern Munich player responded, "You can talk German to me, I'am an Austrian". Platter later apologized, "I'm no soccer expert". (But to pretend that was the whole point of the visit)

PS: David Alaba was born in Vienna and talks a Viennese dialect of course.



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Martin Graf (FPÖ), Third President of the National Council, elected with votes from SPÖ and ÖVP despite of being a member f Burschenschaft Olympia a right-wing fraternity, that invites people like David Irving and a songwriter, famous for songs like "With 6 million Jews the fun just begins". He apparently swindled a 90-year old lady. She was convinced to bring all her assets into a foundation and make Graf the head of it. He used this foundation to buy a building in an upper-class district, in which "Cafe-Restaurant Graf" is located. The name is no coincidence, it's operated by his brother and he himself holds shares. The rent is not always paid in time, but the foundation has been very generous, at least to them. The former millionaire got a payout of 5000 Euros in 2011, and not a single cent in 2012.

I mean, the lady was quite stupid too. How can you expect a politician to carefully invest 1 million €, and especially a politician from the FPÖ who is also a Nazi ? But the old lady said she once sympathized with the FPÖ, so anyone who invests in Nazis or allows them to manage their own money, is a fool anyway in my opinion.

BTW: Graf stepped down as head of the investment foundation today, but he still refuses to step down as Third President of the National Council ... meh.
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« Reply #874 on: June 04, 2012, 02:32:48 PM »


Martin Graf (FPÖ), Third President of the National Council, elected with votes from SPÖ and ÖVP despite of being a member f Burschenschaft Olympia a right-wing fraternity, that invites people like David Irving and a songwriter, famous for songs like "With 6 million Jews the fun just begins". He apparently swindled a 90-year old lady. She was convinced to bring all her assets into a foundation and make Graf the head of it. He used this foundation to buy a building in an upper-class district, in which "Cafe-Restaurant Graf" is located. The name is no coincidence, it's operated by his brother and he himself holds shares. The rent is not always paid in time, but the foundation has been very generous, at least to them. The former millionaire got a payout of 5000 Euros in 2011, and not a single cent in 2012.

Classy.

One is reminded of FN senator Michel Delacroix's attempt at musical fame.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbg18a_un-depute-du-front-national-belge-c_news

Philippe Moureaux was near tears with disgust when it was discussed in the Senate, which forever increased my opinion of him.


(For those of you who don't speak any French, the section of the song in the video roughly translates to:

My little jewess is in Dachau
She is in the quicklime
She has left her Ghetto
To be burned alive.)
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