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« Reply #875 on: June 05, 2012, 10:46:12 AM »


Martin Graf (FPÖ), Third President of the National Council, elected with votes from SPÖ and ÖVP despite of being a member f Burschenschaft Olympia a right-wing fraternity, that invites people like David Irving and a songwriter, famous for songs like "With 6 million Jews the fun just begins". He apparently swindled a 90-year old lady. She was convinced to bring all her assets into a foundation and make Graf the head of it. He used this foundation to buy a building in an upper-class district, in which "Cafe-Restaurant Graf" is located. The name is no coincidence, it's operated by his brother and he himself holds shares. The rent is not always paid in time, but the foundation has been very generous, at least to them. The former millionaire got a payout of 5000 Euros in 2011, and not a single cent in 2012.

Classy.

One is reminded of FN senator Michel Delacroix's attempt at musical fame.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbg18a_un-depute-du-front-national-belge-c_news

Philippe Moureaux was near tears with disgust when it was discussed in the Senate, which forever increased my opinion of him.


(For those of you who don't speak any French, the section of the song in the video roughly translates to:

My little jewess is in Dachau
She is in the quicklime
She has left her Ghetto
To be burned alive.)

Meh. These Nazis really suck.

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Flocke, have you seen any recent poll from Lower Austria ?

Lower Austria holds state elections early next year and it's also the 2nd largest state in Austria, but polls from there are really rare. I think the last one is a year old ... Tongue

We get polls from all other states, but not from the important one where the ÖVP has to defend its absolute majority.
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« Reply #876 on: June 05, 2012, 05:59:27 PM »

Tyrol state poll
Remarkable result for a conservative stronghold:

Future of the Hypo Tyrol Bank
41% Keep it 100% state property
26% The State of Tyrol should keep the majority of shares
22% Privatization


Not totally surprising.  Outside the US, it seems a lot generally oppose privatization even in areas the government has no business being in.  As a side note Bayern LB in Germany is 94% government owned, the highest of the landesbanks and in the most conservative state and likewise here in Canada, Alberta is the only province with a government owned bank and also the most conservative province.  Is this the only state with a government owned banks or are there others?

Also on a different topic why is the FPO doing so well.  Is there a rise in racism like in other countries or are people just fed up with the status quo.  And also where is the majority of their support coming from?
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« Reply #877 on: June 06, 2012, 08:03:13 AM »

New Graz poll:



Looks like Nagl has successfully portrayed the Greens as the "party to blame" for the coaltion breakup. Usually, Austrian voters tend to punish the party at the polls that breaks up a coalition. But it seems Graz is different.

The SPÖ seems to win back Pirate voters, because of the chaos at the formation gatherings of Pirate Party state chapters.
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« Reply #878 on: June 06, 2012, 05:14:41 PM »

Isn't It beautiful when the anti-immigration party leader has foreign name and surname?
Well, as with the British guy, obviously the problem is that TEIH TEAK UOR JOSB!!,!.!.!€&@@@@####%%!!!! not that they look/act different.
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« Reply #879 on: June 07, 2012, 03:56:57 AM »

Isn't It beautiful when the anti-immigration party leader has foreign name and surname?
Well, as with the British guy, obviously the problem is that TEIH TEAK UOR JOSB!!,!.!.!€&@@@@####%%!!!! not that they look/act different.

Mario Eustacchio sounds kinda Italian to me. But his site says he was born in Austria. Must have Italian ancestors though.
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« Reply #880 on: June 07, 2012, 04:11:46 AM »

Also, "Blame the Greens !" works in Graz:



42% blame the Greens for the coalition end, only 23% blame the ÖVP. People also think that the ÖVP, SPÖ and FPÖ will gain the most from the ÖVP/Green coalition breakup.

Graz voters also want to vote regularly in 2013 and oppose snap elections (by 63-29).

Nagl of course is far ahead in the direct vote for Mayor.

People also oppose the introduction of an environment zone (which would ban old diesel cars without a particle filter within the city center) by 60-30.

Finally, citizens favor the purchase of the Reininghaus-area for the construction of a new ecological city district by 49-27.
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« Reply #881 on: June 09, 2012, 12:45:31 AM »

New revelations about 3rd Parliamentary President Martin Graf (Nazi-FPÖ):

He apparently invested 50.000€ from the old woman's money into a banana-company and lost the whole money.

And in the 1994 parliamentary elections, Graf ran on the Vienna FPÖ list as a "lawyer", when in fact he was only a trainee. Graf never was a real lawyer.

This was investigated by the "Kronen Zeitung", which usually is not unfavorable towards the FPÖ. If the Kronen Zeitung already tries to bring down Graf, then Strache and the FPÖ is in real trouble. I wouldn't rule out that they drop to 22/23% in the next polls and the SPÖ and ÖVP could gain (maybe the SPÖ above 30% for a long time ?).

Says Claus Pandi from the Kronen Zeitung:

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« Reply #882 on: June 09, 2012, 12:53:16 AM »

Writes the Standard:

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"[Martin Graf's trust with money from the 90-year old woman] was involved in banana-ships."

http://derstandard.at/1338558977126/Causa-Graf-Oellinger-Meschar-Stiftung-war-an-Bananen-Kuehlschiffen-beteiligt

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Idea for a new FPÖ poster:

"Bananankutter statt Zuwendung für Großmutter"

"Banana ships, instead of devotion for grandmothers"

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« Reply #883 on: June 10, 2012, 12:12:58 AM »

New Gallup poll for Ö24 shows the FPÖ dropping (but that poll was conducted BEFORE the new Martin Graf revelations about being a conman/squanderer:



The FPÖ might even drop to 22% or so if Graf remains in office ...
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« Reply #884 on: June 10, 2012, 03:13:54 AM »

Today is the Vienna FPÖ convention, in which Strache has to be re-elected.

2 years ago, he got 99.1% - but it is not sure if he can get a similar result today - with the Martin Graf baggage.

The more liberal Norbert Steger, who headed the FPÖ in the 80s before Jörg Haider, has already distanced himself from Martin Graf and called him a "con-man".

The Greens on the other hand will introduce a motion this Wednesday on the deselection of Martin Graf as 3rd Parliamentary President. SPÖ and ÖVP have signaled that they might back this motion (after voting him in with their votes 4 years ago).
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« Reply #885 on: June 10, 2012, 03:25:20 AM »

In general, Austrian party leaders are not seen in a positive light by the voters, according to the new Gallup poll from today. But FPÖ's Strache is taking a really big hit compared with 2 weeks ago (Graf is dragging him down):



Strache is now seen favorably by only 18% of Austrians and unfavorable by 61%, for a balance of minus 43. That balance is down by 10 points in the last 2 weeks.

The only party leader with somewhat good numbers is Green-leader Eva Glawischnig with 30-34.
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« Reply #886 on: June 10, 2012, 06:34:08 AM »

Today is the Vienna FPÖ convention, in which Strache has to be re-elected.

2 years ago, he got 99.1% - but it is not sure if he can get a similar result today - with the Martin Graf baggage.

Today he got 99.2% and he supported Graf and attacked the Red-Green government in Vienna:



"Because of our love for Vienna, we are against Red-Green"

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Notice how "Red-Green" is shaped with Communist tools ...

http://www.news.at/articles/1223/11/330461/fpoe-landesparteitag-wien-strache
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« Reply #887 on: June 11, 2012, 12:36:56 AM »

A Wikipedia page has now been created:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Austrian_legislative_election
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« Reply #888 on: June 16, 2012, 12:33:30 PM »

A new OGM poll for the "Kurier" shows that the SPÖ now has 29% support and the ÖVP has 25%. Other parties have 4%.

The article doesn't mention support for FPÖ, Greens and BZÖ.

But 29+25+4 = 58%

Assuming that the Greens have their usual 13-14% and the BZÖ their 3-4%, then the FPÖ must have support between 24% and 26%.

http://kurier.at/nachrichten/4500152-umfrage-oesterreicher-wollen-keinenfalls-zum-schilling-zurueck.php

Also, Austrians want to keep the Euro rather than returning to the Schilling by a 58-35 margin.
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« Reply #889 on: June 16, 2012, 12:40:12 PM »

In the last 2 OGM polls, support for Greens and BZÖ was 19% - which could mean that the FPÖ might have dropped to 23% - which would be a loss of 4%.

Probably have to buy the print edition tomorrow to find out ... Tongue
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« Reply #890 on: June 16, 2012, 11:25:13 PM »

The FPÖ drops to a new record low in the latest Gallup poll (down 5 points in about a month):



http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Fekter-HC-Strache-als-Umfrage-Verlierer/69388087
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« Reply #891 on: June 17, 2012, 12:45:07 AM »

Austrian politics is very boring at the moment, with the Martin Graf (FPÖ) scandal winding down (he will remain in office because he refuses to step down, FPÖ-boss Strache can't kick him out because the Nazi-wing within the FPÖ would revolt, costing even more votes and the ÖVP and SPÖ are unwilling to back a motion from the Greens to remove him from office).

So, the most important thing that's going on in Austrian politics right now is a politician from Carinthia who was caught having sex with a woman (not his own) in the woods by a night camera ... Tongue

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And everyone's now trying to figure out who it was ... Wink
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« Reply #892 on: June 17, 2012, 03:32:42 AM »

Probably have to buy the print edition tomorrow to find out ... Tongue

Did that and the full results are:

29% (+1) SPÖ
25% (+1) ÖVP
25%  (-2) FPÖ
14%  (-1) Greens
  3%  (-1) BZÖ
  4% (+2) Others

Direct vote for Chancellor:

23% (+5) Faymann (SPÖ)
17% (+1) Spindelegger (ÖVP)
14%  (-1) Strache (FPÖ)
46% Other/None/Undecided/No Opinion

Should Martin Graf (FPÖ) resign as 3rd Parliamentary President ?

68% Yes
16% No

Interestingly, 100% of Green-voters (!!!) say the Quasi-Nazi has to resign, while 86% of SPÖ-voters and 78% of ÖVP-voters say so. 32% of FPÖ-voters want him to resign, 45% do not.
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« Reply #893 on: June 20, 2012, 02:32:36 PM »

Is It to keep the mess visible, or is there some bureaucratic-like mental attitude?
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« Reply #894 on: June 20, 2012, 11:11:38 PM »

Is It to keep the mess visible, or is there some bureaucratic-like mental attitude?

Both.
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« Reply #895 on: June 21, 2012, 11:37:54 AM »

Is It to keep the mess visible, or is there some bureaucratic-like mental attitude?

Both.

Which makes green voters fresh minded, but naïve. It couldn't be more stereotypical, could It?
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« Reply #896 on: June 21, 2012, 12:49:25 PM »

Is It to keep the mess visible, or is there some bureaucratic-like mental attitude?

Both.

Which makes green voters fresh minded, but naïve. It couldn't be more stereotypical, could It?

What exactly are we talking about now ? I thought it was about me posting stuff about Austrian polls (bureaucratic-like mental attitude) and stuff about the FPÖ (keep the mess visible).

But it seems you meant something else (please explain) ... Tongue
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« Reply #897 on: June 21, 2012, 01:34:50 PM »

Is It to keep the mess visible, or is there some bureaucratic-like mental attitude?

Both.

Which makes green voters fresh minded, but naïve. It couldn't be more stereotypical, could It?

What exactly are we talking about now ? I thought it was about me posting stuff about Austrian polls (bureaucratic-like mental attitude) and stuff about the FPÖ (keep the mess visible).

But it seems you meant something else (please explain) ... Tongue

The question was "Does the SPÖ and the ÖVP refused to remove Graff from office to keep the mess visible or because they have a bureaucratic-like mental attitude or both?"
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« Reply #898 on: June 23, 2012, 07:57:47 PM »

Not only the parties, but the voters too.

And trying to understand voters minds is part of understanding politics, or is It different in Austria? Wink
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« Reply #899 on: June 23, 2012, 11:10:19 PM »

Is It to keep the mess visible, or is there some bureaucratic-like mental attitude?

Both.

Which makes green voters fresh minded, but naïve. It couldn't be more stereotypical, could It?

What exactly are we talking about now ? I thought it was about me posting stuff about Austrian polls (bureaucratic-like mental attitude) and stuff about the FPÖ (keep the mess visible).

But it seems you meant something else (please explain) ... Tongue

The question was "Does the SPÖ and the ÖVP refused to remove Graff from office to keep the mess visible or because they have a bureaucratic-like mental attitude or both?"

Ah, ok.

I think SPÖVP on the one hand don't mind keeping Graf in his office, because he's a gift that keeps on giving. He's the most unpopular politician in Austria and ensures that SPÖVP have an enemy until the election next year which benefits their polling numbers. But on the other hand there are also many voices (especially within the SPÖVP bases) to remove him from his post. But the top SPÖVP operatives couldn't agree once more to find a common motion for removal.

Not only the parties, but the voters too.

And trying to understand voters minds is part of understanding politics, or is It different in Austria? Wink

No, it's the same. But the poll above clearly show that other than FPÖ voters and some BZÖ voters, people want him to resign. It's just the top politicians that are on the opposite side of the people.
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