Terms of Service/Atlasia's Troll List

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

SewerSocialist, Winston and Einzige have been removed from the troll list for good behavior. Hamilton and Libertas will remain there and are still extreme cases.

Congratulations for carrying out the new policy according to terms.

[Antonio the Sixth]

SewerSocialist, Winston and Einzige have been removed from the troll list for good behavior. Hamilton and Libertas will remain there and are still extreme cases.

Congratulations for carrying out the new policy according to terms.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

SewerSocialist, Winston and Einzige have been removed from the troll list for good behavior. Hamilton and Libertas will remain there and are still extreme cases.

Congratulations for carrying out the new policy according to terms.

Agreed,  I would hope that some people would give this policy a second chance in light of the fact that it is being adminstered fairly.

[cinyc]

Your behavior in the Northeast Assembly thread is disgusting.  You're now deleting MY posts.  I am not a troll and am on no list.

I am asking the Atlasian Supreme Court for an emergency injunction against your unconscionable actions.  You are making it impossible for me to do my job as Northeast Assembly Speaker.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I think you two mods doing fine job so far and by removing Einzige, Sewer and Winston you proved you're able to carry out new policy without any personal prejudicies.

But please, don't delete Assembly votes.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I think you two mods doing fine job so far and by removing Einzige, Sewer and Winston you proved you're able to carry out new policy without any personal prejudicies.

But please, don't delete Assembly votes.

Um, they have not proven anything to people that aren't blind/illiterate.

I think you're doing everything just to stay on this list. And you can't blame anyone but yourself. You really think you will accomplish anything by keeping this way?

[Antonio the Sixth]

The current mod's behaviour is totally useless as regards trolling. Deleting posts of another user, and one of the most respectables here, only because he quotes Hamilton (because he is a NE rep, and so has the right to propose Amendments. Please, just reflect about what you are doing. You are giving Hamilton new occasions to develop fallacious arguments, while helping nothing to the fight against trolling.

Stop acting so stupidly, please.

[MasterJedi]

Hamilton has been banned so he's gone for now. Though I have also gotten information that he has 6 accounts in reserve. So let me know when anyone new registers and we can check them out and get him re-banned when he attemps to show up.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

 

[Antonio the Sixth]

So now Libertas is the only member of the TrollList ?

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

Which basically has nothing to do with my point.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So now Libertas is the only member of the TrollList ?

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

Which basically has nothing to do with my point.

It was just a general statement on the matter not aimed at anyone in particular.

[Antonio the Sixth]

So now Libertas is the only member of the TrollList ?

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

Which basically has nothing to do with my point.

It was just a general statement on the matter not aimed at anyone in particular.

We all understood and accepted MJ's no-exception policy for TrollListed members. What is totally absurd, useless and harmful for the functioning of the Assembly, is deleting the post of a non troll quoting a non-trollish post only because this post came from a member of the TrollList.

[cinyc]

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

There's absolutely no reason the Northeast or Mideast Assembly threads should be in this board in the first place.  We should have our own board and be able to police the conduct of our elected representatives - either in the Assemblies themselves or through the ballot box. 

But given that we don't have our own board, the policy shouldn't apply uniformly across the entire board.  The Assemblies are integral to the functioning of the game.  Without them, there is no local governance.  Most of the rest of the posts on this board aren't integral to anything.

What you have instead are people from outside the region meddling in the affairs of a region by deleting not only the posts of the alleged trolls in the Northeast Assembly thread, but also those who quote the alleged trolls.   The Northeast Assembly doesn't have a mechanism for throwing out or ignoring amendments offered by alleged trolls.   When the Moderators delete validly proposed amendments and validly cast votes, it makes running the Assembly impossible.  Moreover, these alleged trolls have been tried by no one and convicted of nothing other than getting on the wrong side of the mods - and as the Mideast Assembly seems to be correctly concluding, shouldn't lose their positions or power absent a trial.

Ban the alleged trolls or put them on mod review.  This half-baked measure makes it impossible to run an Assembly.  Or better yet, give us our own board.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

There's absolutely no reason the Northeast or Mideast Assembly threads should be in this board in the first place.  We should have our own board and be able to police the conduct of our elected representatives - either in the Assemblies themselves or through the ballot box. 

But given that we don't have our own board, the policy shouldn't apply uniformly across the entire board.  The Assemblies are integral to the functioning of the game.  Without them, there is no local governance.  Most of the rest of the posts on this board aren't integral to anything.

What you have instead are people from outside the region meddling in the affairs of a region by deleting not only the posts of the alleged trolls in the Northeast Assembly thread, but also those who quote the alleged trolls.   The Northeast Assembly doesn't have a mechanism for throwing out or ignoring amendments offered by alleged trolls.   When the Moderators delete validly proposed amendments and validly cast votes, it makes running the Assembly impossible.  Moreover, these alleged trolls have been tried by no one and convicted of nothing other than getting on the wrong side of the mods - and as the Mideast Assembly seems to be correctly concluding, shouldn't lose their positions or power absent a trial.

Ban the alleged trolls or put them on mod review.  This half-baked measure makes it impossible to run an Assembly.  Or better yet, give us our own board.

If you got your own board, it would be a child board and it would probably have MJ and Gustaf moderating. You aren't going to get a full, un policed board all to yourselves.

Cinyc, don't play this game. This not the Moderators ganging up on the newbies, this is not a Liberal versus Conservative. This is not a group of people ganging up on Hamilton because of his beleifs This is Hamilton versus the rest of the forum. He declared war on them months ago. Months ago he told me he despised Leip with a passion back when I was still his "friend". There is a f**king reason me, NiK, Kal, Antonio, Barnes and on turned against him within two month period. He has been on Mod review a million times and everytime he refused to learn his lesson and got more defiant. He finally found a niche, a group of people who would beleive his claims of being unfairly victimized by the evil Nazis mods and who would join him in causing strife.  This policy was instituted because of HIM and his friends and their actions. Three people were removed from the list because they finally cooperated. Hamilton refused and escalated it yet again, driving the mods to escalate the punishment to all posts. You quoting his posts so they can appear in the assembly is attempt to help Hamilton circumvent that punishment. The purpose was an attempt to compell them to cooperate.

I am sorry Cinyc, but your sympathy towards him is astounding and I can only think of one possible reason for it and that is because you fear the potential wrath of the ARC in the NE against you. Please tell me this isn't a political stunt, because I have a lot of respect for you.

So for gods sake before your impartiality and image as an independent is ruined forever. If Hamilton cared about the Assembly, he would have resigned but thats not Hamilton, he stayed to stir up sh**t. He is the one that damaged the workings of the assembly.

[segwaystyle2012]

cinyc knows better than to believe that Yankee. Hamilton wanted to resign and had a plan for me to repalce him and cinyc and AndrewCT said for Hamilton not to. Hamilton can't be blamed for the moderators disgusting actions.

[cinyc]

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

There's absolutely no reason the Northeast or Mideast Assembly threads should be in this board in the first place.  We should have our own board and be able to police the conduct of our elected representatives - either in the Assemblies themselves or through the ballot box.  

But given that we don't have our own board, the policy shouldn't apply uniformly across the entire board.  The Assemblies are integral to the functioning of the game.  Without them, there is no local governance.  Most of the rest of the posts on this board aren't integral to anything.

What you have instead are people from outside the region meddling in the affairs of a region by deleting not only the posts of the alleged trolls in the Northeast Assembly thread, but also those who quote the alleged trolls.   The Northeast Assembly doesn't have a mechanism for throwing out or ignoring amendments offered by alleged trolls.   When the Moderators delete validly proposed amendments and validly cast votes, it makes running the Assembly impossible.  Moreover, these alleged trolls have been tried by no one and convicted of nothing other than getting on the wrong side of the mods - and as the Mideast Assembly seems to be correctly concluding, shouldn't lose their positions or power absent a trial.

Ban the alleged trolls or put them on mod review.  This half-baked measure makes it impossible to run an Assembly.  Or better yet, give us our own board.

If you got your own board, it would be a child board and it would probably have MJ and Gustaf moderating. You aren't going to get a full, un policed board all to yourselves.

Cinyc, don't play this game. This not the Moderators ganging up on the newbies, this is not a Liberal versus Conservative. This is not a group of people ganging up on Hamilton because of his beleifs This is Hamilton versus the rest of the forum. He declared war on them months ago. Months ago he told me he despised Leip with a passion back when I was still his "friend". There is a f**king reason me, NiK, Kal, Antonio, Barnes and on turned against him within two month period. He has been on Mod review a million times and everytime he refused to learn his lesson and got more defiant. He finally found a niche, a group of people who would beleive his claims of being unfairly victimized by the evil Nazis mods and who would join him in causing strife.  This policy was instituted because of HIM and his friends and their actions. Three people were removed from the list because they finally cooperated. Hamilton refused and escalated it yet again, driving the mods to escalate the punishment to all posts. You quoting his posts so they can appear in the assembly is attempt to help Hamilton circumvent that punishment. The purpose was an attempt to compell them to cooperate.

I am sorry Cinyc, but your sympathy towards him is astounding and I can only think of one possible reason for it and that is because you fear the potential wrath of the ARC in the NE against you. Please tell me this isn't a political stunt, because I have a lot of respect for you.

So for gods sake before your impartiality and image as an independent is ruined forever. If Hamilton cared about the Assembly, he would have resigned but thats not Hamilton, he stayed to stir up sh**t. He is the one that damaged the workings of the assembly.

Sorry, I don't fear the wrath of the ARC or anyone else.  I can easily win reelection in the Northeast without any ARC support.  This isn't a political stunt.  I am playing no game - just stating the facts as I see them.   I agree with Sam Spade's assessment in the Northeast Assembly thread that this half-measure troll list system is doing more harm than good.

It is impossible to run an Assembly when moderators are deleting posts in the Assembly thread.  Period.  The mods can't be online at all times, some posts from alleged trolls who are still legitimate members of the Assembly get through for a while, which I have to acknowledge as legitimate if I see them.  If I don't, and it's a vote, the result could be changed or I have to wait longer than I otherwise should to allow the missing members to vote.  

I've never said anything about the moderators unfairly attacking newbies.   Nor have I said much about the whole Hamilton saga.   I really don't care what the moderators do on the rest of the board.  I'd just prefer that they tread lightly in the Assembly threads, as they are essential to regional governance and their actions the Northeast Assembly thread are creating headaches.

Even if the same mods were in charge of our regional government subboards, that the posts weren't on the main board would be a signal to use less moderation.

Ban offenders or put them on mod review.

[SPC]

Does this constitute any sort of violation:

With all due respect to my colleagues at the PCP,

South Park Conservative
Georgia
Populares

With all due respect to you, this may be the greatest thing to happen to the PCP in months.

[Хahar 🤔]

Does this constitute any sort of violation:

With all due respect to my colleagues at the PCP,

South Park Conservative
Georgia
Populares

With all due respect to you, this may be the greatest thing to happen to the PCP in months.

Not from my reading.

[k-onmmunist]

It does, but I doubt the mods give one. It's okay when red avatars do it. Especially Marokai, who's actually the biggest troll on the entire forum.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Does this constitute any sort of violation:

With all due respect to my colleagues at the PCP,

South Park Conservative
Georgia
Populares

With all due respect to you, this may be the greatest thing to happen to the PCP in months.

It's called a joke more-or-less referring to the fact that you split the vote in a Senate election in which the RPP support crashed.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Does this constitute any sort of violation:

With all due respect to my colleagues at the PCP,

South Park Conservative
Georgia
Populares

With all due respect to you, this may be the greatest thing to happen to the PCP in months.

Just LOL.

[Torie]

I am just checking in to inquire as the whether I have been de-registered yet. Oh wait, this is about trolls, not zombies. Sorry!   I assume I am not under active consideration for a T list.

[MasterJedi]

ElectricFeel has been banned as Hamilton.

Also note that Vane and True Liberty also share an IP though I don't think Dave has done anything yet. The authorities can please act accordingly.

[Fritz]

MasterJedi,

Could you give us an update on Vanes status?  It is pretty common knowledge that he is Hamilton, and he doesn't try to deny it.

[live free or die]

he doesn't try to deny it.

Actually I do.