Terms of Service/Atlasia's Troll List

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

My question though, and sorry for it being stupid, is Sewer just on this list, or is he actually banned?

He is not banned. So far he's actually followig the rules unlike Hamilton and Libertas and if it continues and he doesn't do spam he'll be getting off the list.

He better not, then I will be a runningmate short for the next presidential election.

Then maybe you better help him to stay on the right path so you aren't short a running mate come Feb.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I don't know how long a system like this will suffice until the trolls overrun it with their spam/abuse of the reporting system, etc. I wish Mr. Leip would come around enough to get rid of these people, but perhaps he's afraid that banning them will only make it worse, if we believe the threats Hamilton likes to spew about how it will get worse if he's banned. I don't know. It's unfortunate that these kids, with way too much time on their hands, are trying to take down the forum. It used to be a great place for discussion.

I agree with that. Banning Hamilton will be a terrible mistake, because he will easily come back on the forum, and learning from his mistakes, he will manage to screw the forum without getting banned in time.

He won't learn. And besides, it won't matter. Once it'd discovered it is Hamilton he'll be banned for circumvening the ban, just like Ogis every time, no matter how he acts.

Did someone only imagine that Swing Voter could be Hamilton before Nik revealed it ?

I considered it the minute he said he wanted to join the party that had his friends in it, Hamilton and Einzige. I was thinking it might be either some dupe or a sock.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That some of you acted stupid is not enough to convince me to do the work that it would require to moderate Hamilton.

There are two options if a troll comes back and does not get detected (they usually are at some point).

He trolls again and is banned again. No problem.
He doesn't troll again and is not banned. No problem.

Very much this. If anyone banned comes back under a sock and acts like an ass they'll draw attention to themselves and be discovered and rebanned sooner than you can say LibertashatesJews"Zionists".

If they come back and act reasonable under their new identity, then they're not causing anyone problems until their eventual inevitable discovery (which might cause the minor inconvinience of a special election if they've managed to be elected to some office in the meantime. Maybe an IP check for every 1st time candidate for office?).

Something to consider. I certainly have gotten into a habit of asking for IP checks of RPP recruits for the sake of maintaining sercurity on the Private Forums.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

SewerSocialist, Winston and Einzige have been removed from the troll list for good behavior. Hamilton and Libertas will remain there and are still extreme cases.

Congratulations for carrying out the new policy according to terms.

Agreed,  I would hope that some people would give this policy a second chance in light of the fact that it is being adminstered fairly.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So now Libertas is the only member of the TrollList ?

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

Which basically has nothing to do with my point.

It was just a general statement on the matter not aimed at anyone in particular.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

There's absolutely no reason the Northeast or Mideast Assembly threads should be in this board in the first place.  We should have our own board and be able to police the conduct of our elected representatives - either in the Assemblies themselves or through the ballot box. 

But given that we don't have our own board, the policy shouldn't apply uniformly across the entire board.  The Assemblies are integral to the functioning of the game.  Without them, there is no local governance.  Most of the rest of the posts on this board aren't integral to anything.

What you have instead are people from outside the region meddling in the affairs of a region by deleting not only the posts of the alleged trolls in the Northeast Assembly thread, but also those who quote the alleged trolls.   The Northeast Assembly doesn't have a mechanism for throwing out or ignoring amendments offered by alleged trolls.   When the Moderators delete validly proposed amendments and validly cast votes, it makes running the Assembly impossible.  Moreover, these alleged trolls have been tried by no one and convicted of nothing other than getting on the wrong side of the mods - and as the Mideast Assembly seems to be correctly concluding, shouldn't lose their positions or power absent a trial.

Ban the alleged trolls or put them on mod review.  This half-baked measure makes it impossible to run an Assembly.  Or better yet, give us our own board.

If you got your own board, it would be a child board and it would probably have MJ and Gustaf moderating. You aren't going to get a full, un policed board all to yourselves.

Cinyc, don't play this game. This not the Moderators ganging up on the newbies, this is not a Liberal versus Conservative. This is not a group of people ganging up on Hamilton because of his beleifs This is Hamilton versus the rest of the forum. He declared war on them months ago. Months ago he told me he despised Leip with a passion back when I was still his "friend". There is a f**king reason me, NiK, Kal, Antonio, Barnes and on turned against him within two month period. He has been on Mod review a million times and everytime he refused to learn his lesson and got more defiant. He finally found a niche, a group of people who would beleive his claims of being unfairly victimized by the evil Nazis mods and who would join him in causing strife.  This policy was instituted because of HIM and his friends and their actions. Three people were removed from the list because they finally cooperated. Hamilton refused and escalated it yet again, driving the mods to escalate the punishment to all posts. You quoting his posts so they can appear in the assembly is attempt to help Hamilton circumvent that punishment. The purpose was an attempt to compell them to cooperate.

I am sorry Cinyc, but your sympathy towards him is astounding and I can only think of one possible reason for it and that is because you fear the potential wrath of the ARC in the NE against you. Please tell me this isn't a political stunt, because I have a lot of respect for you.

So for gods sake before your impartiality and image as an independent is ruined forever. If Hamilton cared about the Assembly, he would have resigned but thats not Hamilton, he stayed to stir up sh**t. He is the one that damaged the workings of the assembly.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

MasterJedi,

Could you give us an update on Vanes status?  It is pretty common knowledge that he is Hamilton, and he doesn't try to deny it.

Last time I talked to him, he said he was working on it, but I will let him speak on that.

he doesn't try to deny it.

Actually I do.

You know what guys, we should take him at his word. I think he is a trully honest and respectable invididual completely worthy of esteem and intregrity.

By the way, would anyone want to by this bridge in NY, its been on the lot for quite a long time?