Are the Freemasons evil?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

yes. And they have WAY too much power.

If I were president I'd seize all Masonic lodges, ban the organization, and collect material so I could find the top of their conspiracy and destroy it. I'd also put an end to Skull and Bones.

[Gabu]

To this day I still have no idea what they are.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org

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yes. And they have WAY too much power.

If I were president I'd seize all Masonic lodges, ban the organization, and collect material so I could find the top of their conspiracy and destroy it. I'd also put an end to Skull and Bones.

Kerry was in Skull and Crossbones.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yes I know, and I'm not thrilled about it. But Bush was too, so it's a wash. But it does show the primary process is rigged because the Bonesmen control it all. I supported Clark.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

As the grandson of a 32nd degree Mason, I obviously have little reason to consider masons evil.

[J. J.]

Here are some of the people that are or were Freemasons:

George Washinton, Franklin Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, Gerald Ford, Jack Kemp, Harry Truman, Bob Dole, George McGovern, Scoop Jackson,  Jessie Jackson, Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, Thurgood Marshall, Earl Warren, Henry Wallace, Theodore Roosvelt, John Glenn, Trent Lott, Hubert Humphrey, Wendell Wilkie, Lyndon Johnson (not completed), Alexander Hamilton, Benidict Arnold, Benjamin Franklin, Andrew Johnson, William McKinley, James Buchannan and Harold Stassen.

Could you explain the political leanings of the members of this group?  Could you also explain why, if this group is so powerful, it produced so many losers?

[J. J.]

BTW:  Here is a legitimate Masonic site, which also has the heading "Our Black Sheep."

http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous.htm

[Gabu]

I still have no idea what they are, as both of those sites had way too much information.

[Aegir]

They aren't evil. Anyone who says they are is a complete ignoramus and needs to be severely beaten.


Gabu, The Masons are a group of mostly older men who meet to discuss ideas of the day and preach absolute religious tolerance. They have a lot of rituals and use a lot of symbolism. It's mostly just a way for them to have something to belong to. I think 19 of our presidents were Masons, this includes most of the founding fathers.

The Shriners, a group of Masons, are responsible for helping a large portion of the burn-victims in this country.

[patrick1]

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org

That website is hilarious.  I was on there a long time ago.  While the Masons were traditionally VERY anti-Catholic that has faded over time and it is like any other fraternal organization- Guys having an excuse to get away from their wives for a little while.

[ilikeverin]

I just found out that my grandpa is an honorary life Mason the last time I went to Detroit to see my relatives, so no.

[David S]

Okay BRTD. You have a choice. Badnarik is not a Freemason.

[J. J.]

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org

That website is hilarious.  I was on there a long time ago.  While the Masons were traditionally VERY anti-Catholic that has faded over time and it is like any other fraternal organization- Guys having an excuse to get away from their wives for a little while.

I wouldn't exactly call it anti-Catholic, since PA State Senator Vincent Fumo is also a Freemason.  He's also a member of the Knights of Columbus and Mensa.  So was former PA state senator Frank Pecora, whom I've met, who is also Catholic.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org

That website is hilarious.  I was on there a long time ago.  While the Masons were traditionally VERY anti-Catholic that has faded over time and it is like any other fraternal organization- Guys having an excuse to get away from their wives for a little while.

I wouldn't exactly call it anti-Catholic, since PA State Senator Vincent Fumo is also a Freemason.  He's also a member of the Knights of Columbus and Mensa.  So was former PA state senator Frank Pecora, whom I've met, who is also Catholic.

One can't be a Catholic and a Mason, since the Catholic church still prohibits membership. So if you join, you are basically excommunicated. This is one of the few issues I agree with the Catholic Chuch on.

[J. J.]

One can't be a Catholic and a Mason, since the Catholic church still prohibits membership. So if you join, you are basically excommunicated. This is one of the few issues I agree with the Catholic Chuch on.

And you can't be in favor of abortion and received communion, but Kerry does.  Fumo is, according to his biographic sketch, and in a member of a group that I believe requires you to be a practicing Catholic, the Knights of Columbus.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Man, BRTD, you're just like my friends who read too much Robert Anton Wilson...only they are wise enough to know what he writes is fiction and question what he writes.  RAW himself, said to the effect of that he wanted people to question everything and that includes things he places in his writings. 

The Freemasons aren't creating powerful people, they already are.  They are the ones are of strong will and drive that either joined together to create this country, or simply help out.   Have you met any Masons?  Most are just men, helping out the community, or if you look at www.mn-masons.org, you can read how one high level Mason adopted and raised many children.  Yeah, that guy is really evil.  *rolleyes*

BTW, I made your super socialist country: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=duluth-minnesota

[Keystone Phil]

One can't be a Catholic and a Mason, since the Catholic church still prohibits membership. So if you join, you are basically excommunicated. This is one of the few issues I agree with the Catholic Chuch on.

And you can't be in favor of abortion and received communion, but Kerry does.  Fumo is, according to his biographic sketch, and in a member of a group that I believe requires you to be a practicing Catholic, the Knights of Columbus.

Maybe Fumo is an honorary member of the Masons?

[J. J.]

Maybe Fumo is an honorary member of the Masons?

Not according to his bio.

[Schmitz in 1972]

Not sure about evil but DEFINATELY freaky. I find it disturbing that freemasonary is so important to some that they put the Masonic symbol on their tombstones. And why all the secrecy? When adults have secret meetings and refuse to tell what happened in them, you know something's up.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yes, many lower level Masons aren't bad people because they don't know about all the conspiracies and everything going up on the higher levels. However I read on DU about how all the PNAC members have ties to Masonic orders and many are high level. And Brambila had some evidence about how persecuation of Catholics by Masonic controlled governments in Latin America.

That's rather similar to the Nation State I used to have.

[Alcon]

I have heard that, as other people say, at a low level, the Masons are fine. However, I have heard it becomes cultish at higher degrees.

And the Masonic building semi-near my house looks like a bomb shelter. Seriously creepy, in any case.

[patrick1]

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org

That website is hilarious.  I was on there a long time ago.  While the Masons were traditionally VERY anti-Catholic that has faded over time and it is like any other fraternal organization- Guys having an excuse to get away from their wives for a little while.

I wouldn't exactly call it anti-Catholic, since PA State Senator Vincent Fumo is also a Freemason.  He's also a member of the Knights of Columbus and Mensa.  So was former PA state senator Frank Pecora, whom I've met, who is also Catholic.

That is why I used past tense were.

[raggage]

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org

That website is hilarious.  I was on there a long time ago.  While the Masons were traditionally VERY anti-Catholic that has faded over time and it is like any other fraternal organization- Guys having an excuse to get away from their wives for a little while.

Correct. If one can believe the latest Dan Brown novel, they are often tightly integrated with what was once the illuminati - the most anti-catholic group perhaps in european history, and one that supposedly included John Milton (Paradise Lost) and Gallileo.

[cwelsch]

Yes I know, and I'm not thrilled about it. But Bush was too, so it's a wash. But it does show the primary process is rigged because the Bonesmen control it all. I supported Clark.

Obviously one of the highest leaders of a major US military invasion is completely devoid of power politics and inside connections.


I think some of the impulses of anti-masons are good but most of the anti-masons are flippin' nuts.  I know some who hang in chat rooms and boards.  THey watch contrails, they think airplane pollution is intentional poison to control and/or kill us.  One guy says Jews are actually descended from a reptilian alien race and that America is a fascist country supporting Israel and fighting in Iraq.

I'm more scared of the anti-masons than the freemasons.