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Question: Does the neoconservative "New Right" have fascist influences?
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« on: February 04, 2010, 11:18:07 PM »

I am not asking whether or not they are fascist, but whether or not their ideology borrows from fascism.  To me, it certainly does, with their nationalism, reactionary foreign policy, collectivist social policies, corporatist economic policies, and their general contempt for freedom and fair democracy.
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 11:26:03 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 11:31:24 PM »

Define "New Right".

From the Urals to the British Isles, there has been a surge in implicitly and explicitly fascist parties since the 1980s, yes.

In the US, the right wing is still too libertarian and not violent enough to be even remotely fascist. I think that's one of the few blessings of the world these days. But as I've written, much of that libertarianism is based on social factors and not principle. Still, there has to be more authoritarianism and violence-worship [and more explicit racism] for it to be fascist.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2010, 11:34:35 PM »

No, in fact, they're probably going to become less and less so due to social and political trends.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2010, 11:37:26 PM »

No, in fact, they're probably going to become less and less so due to social and political trends.

BINGO. Liberal social values are emerging in the US, and in twenty or thirty years, the Religious Right will be a hollow shell of its former power. The Republicans, whether they win in 2012 or not, will be pushed increasingly to the center by the forces, and will embrace a much more moderate tone on social issues.
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2010, 11:41:42 PM »

No, in fact, they're probably going to become less and less so due to social and political trends.

BINGO. Liberal social values are emerging in the US, and in twenty or thirty years, the Religious Right will be a hollow shell of its former power. The Republicans, whether they win in 2012 or not, will be pushed increasingly to the center by the forces, and will embrace a much more moderate tone on social issues.

Yeah. I bet a vast majority of Republicans under 40 now are socially moderate or liberal.
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2010, 12:34:43 AM »

No.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2010, 01:15:41 AM »

Understatement.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2010, 04:04:13 AM »

No, in fact, they're probably going to become less and less so due to social and political trends.

BINGO. Liberal social values are emerging in the US, and in twenty or thirty years, the Religious Right will be a hollow shell of its former power. The Republicans, whether they win in 2012 or not, will be pushed increasingly to the center by the forces, and will embrace a much more moderate tone on social issues.

Yeah. I bet a vast majority of Republicans under 40 now are socially moderate or liberal.

No more than a J. J.-esque vast majority.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2010, 04:41:06 AM »

Morer like the other way round.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2010, 04:41:53 AM »

Define "New Right".

From the Urals to the British Isles, there has been a surge in implicitly and explicitly fascist parties since the 1980s, yes.

In the US, the right wing is still too libertarian and not violent enough to be even remotely fascist. I think that's one of the few blessings of the world these days. But as I've written, much of that libertarianism is based on social factors and not principle. Still, there has to be more authoritarianism and violence-worship [and more explicit racism] for it to be fascist.

Thankfully, yeah, although I am afraid of a growing tendency among the right-wing, like that woman that won the GOP nomination in my district.

I'm not convinced that the GOP is truly trending libertarian.....yet.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2010, 05:20:06 AM »

Randomly viewing some slightly off-the-norm behavior as beyond reproach and other as devil's spawn with no grey area in between is not "socially liberal". It's paleofascist.

It's just that such a position shows up as closer to social liberalism on a "political compass" compared to hardcore conservatism.
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2010, 06:16:34 AM »

From the Urals to the British Isles, there has been a surge in implicitly and explicitly fascist parties since the 1980s, yes.

1970s, actually.
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2010, 07:10:28 AM »

In America, yes. (Or rather as Lewis puts it rather well "paleofascist" or perhaps "protofascism" though elements of the tea party/Palinist movement definitely lean beyond the 'paleo' and 'proto' labels).
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2010, 10:43:24 AM »

Are there any other ideologies that favor pre-emptively invading countries and handing the economy over to corporations besides neoconservatism and fascism?
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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2010, 11:03:19 AM »

Are there any other ideologies that favor pre-emptively invading countries and handing the economy over to corporations besides neoconservatism and fascism?

That's not quite what corporatism is, the way you mean it.
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2010, 11:25:14 AM »

*facepalm*

No.
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2010, 11:26:50 AM »


Do you believe the President is socialist?
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2010, 11:28:28 AM »

Are there any other ideologies that favor pre-emptively invading countries and handing the economy over to corporations besides neoconservatism and fascism?

That's not quite what corporatism is, the way you mean it.

Perhaps I could have made my point more clearly. What I am suggesting is that in both neoconservative and fascist ideology (and seemingly exclusive to those two), there is the idea that the economy of a nation benefits most if controled by the collective interests of corporations.
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2010, 11:29:08 AM »


No.
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2010, 02:53:49 PM »

Are there any other ideologies that favor pre-emptively invading countries and handing the economy over to corporations besides neoconservatism and fascism?

That's not quite what corporatism is, the way you mean it.

Perhaps I could have made my point more clearly. What I am suggesting is that in both neoconservative and fascist ideology (and seemingly exclusive to those two), there is the idea that the economy of a nation benefits most if controled by the collective interests of corporations.
American proto-fascism, at least in terms of where Gully and Lewis and others see it in the essence of Tea Party, has nothing to do with neoconservatism.  It's hilarious how leftists still are watching over their shoulders for this neoconservative boogeyman.
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2010, 02:59:59 PM »

Ah; I was not meaning to say that the attitude I was describing is exclusive to fascism, just that it is a perfectly traditional part of the mindset - it was in reply to the "no, they're trending more socially liberal actually" replies above mine.
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2010, 03:37:31 PM »

Are there any other ideologies that favor pre-emptively invading countries and handing the economy over to corporations besides neoconservatism and fascism?

That's not quite what corporatism is, the way you mean it.

Perhaps I could have made my point more clearly. What I am suggesting is that in both neoconservative and fascist ideology (and seemingly exclusive to those two), there is the idea that the economy of a nation benefits most if controled by the collective interests of corporations.
American proto-fascism, at least in terms of where Gully and Lewis and others see it in the essence of Tea Party, has nothing to do with neoconservatism.  It's hilarious how leftists still are watching over their shoulders for this neoconservative boogeyman.

Not as hilarious as those that think neoconservatism is dead and buried as a prevelant ideology because of one failed presidency. I would argue that the nationalist sentiment (which is a major component of any version of fascist ideology) that was present in the neoconservative ideology that dominated the past decade is certainly present in the tea party movement today. Regardless of the fact that it's something entirely different, the tea party protesters and the people who kept Bush in office are largely one in the same.
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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2010, 05:32:13 PM »

Neoconservatism is alive and well in think tanks across America northern Virginia, if that's what you mean.

And, no, brute nationalism, or the "Jacksonian" tradition of American foreign policy is not inherently neoconservative.
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« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2010, 05:28:23 PM »

Yes, the GOP has a little neofascist wing, though the neo-theocratic and the neo-anarcho-capitalist ones are far more powerful.
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