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« on: February 06, 2010, 08:19:48 pm »

Assume that the Bush DUI story is not revealed until after the election. Everything else stays the same. How would this election turn out? Discuss, with maps. Please list the EV, the exact PV, and Bush's victory margin in Florida (both percentagewise and numerically).
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 08:00:53 am »

Assume that the Bush DUI story is not revealed until after the election. Everything else stays the same. How would this election turn out? Discuss, with maps. Please list the EV, the exact PV, and Bush's victory margin in Florida (both percentagewise and numerically).




Bush - 50%  302EV
Gore - 46%  236EV
Nader - 3%
Others - 1%


[Florida]
Bush - 50%
Gore - 47%
Nader - 2%
Others - 1%
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 12:54:06 pm »

Anyone else?
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2010, 03:36:52 pm »

No, Sasquatch's map seems pretty spot on.
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2010, 09:56:24 am »
« Edited: February 13, 2010, 10:19:04 am by WEB Dubois »

Gore would have lost either ME, OR or WI in the map but it would have staid close.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2010, 07:44:39 pm »

Tell you what a DUI is a learning experience. Bush should have came out with his DUI story in March of that year and not allowed people to forget what his lessons learned were. He should have joined MADD and gotten involved with them somehow. I've gotten a DUI, I've talked to MADD, it is quite an experience to learn from. Had he done that, conservatives who did not vote on election day that year would've seen him as very human and been able to relate to him as a fellow human learning from a mistake. I'm not sure what W was thinking here.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2010, 07:54:09 pm »

Tell you what a DUI is a learning experience. Bush should have came out with his DUI story in March of that year and not allowed people to forget what his lessons learned were. He should have joined MADD and gotten involved with them somehow. I've gotten a DUI, I've talked to MADD, it is quite an experience to learn from. Had he done that, conservatives who did not vote on election day that year would've seen him as very human and been able to relate to him as a fellow human learning from a mistake. I'm not sure what W was thinking here.

I agree with you here. If the DUI story would have been released sooner, Bush could have responded to it effectively and people would have forgotten about it by election day (similar to how they forgot about Obama attending Reverend Wright's racist church). Thus, Bush Jr. would have won by a larger margin than he did in RL.
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2010, 02:36:36 pm »

Hey, tell me we're finally agreeing on something! That was a big error on Bush's behalf not to use it as a learning experience.
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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2010, 03:55:43 pm »

I dont think it changes alot. Maybe a few conservatives stayed home but, not that much. Jeb would  still have "delivered" Florida for his little brother.
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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2010, 05:13:34 pm »

I dont think it changes alot. Maybe a few conservatives stayed home but, not that much. Jeb would  still have "delivered" Florida for his little brother.

Yeah, but Bush Jr. might not have needed FL without the DUI story. He might have won IA, OR, NM, and WI (which together have more EV's than Florida).
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2010, 05:34:25 pm »

I wouldn't have seen 2000 being close and would've predicted a 51-47 victory for Bush with an electoral amount in the mid-lower 300s. While expecting FL to go to him by 5-7. I don't see why FL is close at the presidential level. That state is very conservative internally, has some of the most libertarian laws, and has been run by the GOP in Tallahassee for over a decade. Another thing is if you look at close elections where the GOP loses it still goes to the Republicans. Only when Democrats win in landslides have they carried FL by even small margins.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2010, 10:26:49 am »

I just really don't think it made that big of difference really. His cocaine use was pretty common knowledge long before the dui story as well as his wild days in college.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2010, 12:58:12 pm »

I don't remember him saying he did cocaine.
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2010, 01:00:14 pm »

He never really admitted it , but it was very common knowledge.
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2010, 02:44:46 pm »

Tell you what a DUI is a learning experience. Bush should have came out with his DUI story in March of that year and not allowed people to forget what his lessons learned were. He should have joined MADD and gotten involved with them somehow. I've gotten a DUI, I've talked to MADD, it is quite an experience to learn from. Had he done that, conservatives who did not vote on election day that year would've seen him as very human and been able to relate to him as a fellow human learning from a mistake. I'm not sure what W was thinking here.

Considering that one of the biggest appeals of Bush was that he was a "born again", I agree.
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2010, 02:45:39 pm »

I had a dewey and it sux. lol
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2010, 05:34:15 pm »


Huh?
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2010, 06:11:09 pm »


A DUI?
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2010, 07:36:29 pm »

lol ya dewey sounds alot better than dui
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2010, 03:38:55 am »

that's what they're called
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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2010, 01:46:31 pm »

i took mine all the way to a jury trial
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2010, 02:52:51 pm »

i took mine all the way to a jury trial

beating a DUI is unheard of
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2010, 06:46:14 am »

Nah its happened before, i didnt blow on the breat test, and prosecution refused to submit the tape into evidence. My lawyer thought we had a good chance and the hury was out over two hours, i though i was gonna beat it.
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2010, 11:43:50 am »

What state are you from? In PA it's automatically a year without a license and the same consequences for having a DUI if you refuse to blow or do the testing. The tests though are NOT PERMISSABLE IN COURT other than blood tests and non-portable breathalizers.
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2010, 12:40:14 pm »

Alabama, I lost my license for 90 days
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