Why didn't John Kerry get a post-convention bounce?

[Derek]

He was a terrible candidate and no one watched his conventions. Bugs Bunny cartoons got better ratings and he took no clear stance on the issues.

[Derek]

Hats off to Dick Morris and the Republicans who predicted a 15 point bounce for Kerry which made a 3 point bounce look pathetic. I also liked it when Republicans in the senate screwed with him by delaying a vote on veterans' benefits that summer til he left town and flew back to his campaign trail which caused him to miss a vote on such an important issue for a veteran. Of course that was picture day too and so the public perception was very bad lol.

[Derek]

In case you weren't aware, the current benefits didn't expire for several more months and they didn't need his vote to pass. It went through 96 or 98-0 to my recollection. In the 24 hour period that the bill might have been delayed, no one would've gone without benefits.

[Derek]

This is great! I'm starting a new thread about worst candidates in MODERN history since 1952.

1. Walter Mondale
2. Michael Dukakis
3. John Kerry
4. Bob Dole
5. George McGovern
6. Jimmy Carter

You are right about Barry Goldwater. He led to the Reagan Revolution which has made conservatism mainstream.

[Derek]

The electorate was very polarized Bush didnt get a bounce either. And Dole wasnt a bad candidate he was about the best the GOP had that yea, and um Carter was elected President and had a lead going into the final days of 1980, so I wouldnt say he was bad either.

I remember Bush taking a 16 point lead after his convention when Kerry fell into the 30's.

[Derek]

This is great! I'm starting a new thread about worst candidates in MODERN history since 1952.

1. Walter Mondale
2. Michael Dukakis
3. John Kerry
4. Bob Dole
5. George McGovern
6. Jimmy Carter

You are right about Barry Goldwater. He led to the Reagan Revolution which has made conservatism mainstream.

You forgot Al Gore. He was running in a much more favorable environment than Kerry was.

I'll tell you what sometimes I do want to put Gore as the third worst behind Mondale and Dukakis.

[Derek]

This is great! I'm starting a new thread about worst candidates in MODERN history since 1952.

1. Walter Mondale
2. Michael Dukakis
3. John Kerry
4. Bob Dole
5. George McGovern
6. Jimmy Carter

You are right about Barry Goldwater. He led to the Reagan Revolution which has made conservatism mainstream.

You forgot Al Gore. He was running in a much more favorable environment than Kerry was.

I'll tell you what sometimes I do want to put Gore as the third worst behind Mondale and Dukakis.

I would even put Gore above Mondale and Dukakis. Mondale never had a chance, Dukakis did have a chance but the issues in 1988 (good economy+Reagan's popularity+no foreign wars) favored Bush Sr. In 2000, the issues (good economy+lack of foreign threats+Clinton's popularity) favored Gore, but Gore still blew the election.

LOL he did find every way to lose that he could. He stopped campaigning in Ohio shortly after Labor Day because he was down by double digits and came within the margin of error anyways. The gun issue cost him his home state of TN, Clinton's home state of AR, and WV which had been a Massachusetts type of reliability for that party until 2000. I sometimes wonder if it would've been close at all without Clinton's popularity.

[Derek]

The electorate was very polarized Bush didnt get a bounce either. And Dole wasnt a bad candidate he was about the best the GOP had that yea, and um Carter was elected President and had a lead going into the final days of 1980, so I wouldnt say he was bad either.

I remember Bush taking a 16 point lead after his convention when Kerry fell into the 30's.

The biggest lead Bush ever had was about 9 points at it evaporated over night when Kerry slaughtered Bush in that first debate over foreign policy and Iraq. That debate put Kerry back in the race. If had been anybody else that year besides Kerry running, Bush would have lost by double digits.

You are a hack and I'm now convinced. Bush would've gone over 300 against Edwards, Gephardt, and Leiberman. He would've gone over 400 against anyone else. You think Carol Mosely Braun would've beat Bush by double digits? As for the debate, I don't think many people base a president's performance over 4 years on one single debate that is blatantly staged anyways. John Kerry was nothing but a suck up from the first words out of his mouth when he thanked them for sponsoring the debate. That was obvious too.

[Derek]

Lol Im a hack? What you describe your self as, lol I can think of several things, but unlike you I have the ability to think for myself instead of what the GOP tells me. And ya Kerry embaressed Bush in that first debate over night Bush's lead went from 9 points to tied, and Gephart, Edwards, Gore, Clinton, Bayh and I can name a few more would have taken him to the woodshed. I mean geez  Derek he barely beat one of the worst candidates in modern history, a real candidate would have hammered him.

He wasn't popular then either. All Kerry did was suck up. I remember Kerry referring to a timber company Bush "owns" in the second debate and Bush joking about if anyone wants some wood.

[Derek]

Lol Im a hack? What you describe your self as, lol I can think of several things, but unlike you I have the ability to think for myself instead of what the GOP tells me. And ya Kerry embaressed Bush in that first debate over night Bush's lead went from 9 points to tied, and Gephart, Edwards, Gore, Clinton, Bayh and I can name a few more would have taken him to the woodshed. I mean geez  Derek he barely beat one of the worst candidates in modern history, a real candidate would have hammered him.

He wasn't popular then either. All Kerry did was suck up. I remember Kerry referring to a timber company Bush "owns" in the second debate and Bush joking about if anyone wants some wood.

No Kerry wasnt popular thats why anyone else woulda hammered that moron.

Stop misreading me. I meant Bush wasn't popular. Kerry was never popular outside of the yacht clubs in New England.

[Derek]

Lol Im a hack? What you describe your self as, lol I can think of several things, but unlike you I have the ability to think for myself instead of what the GOP tells me. And ya Kerry embaressed Bush in that first debate over night Bush's lead went from 9 points to tied, and Gephart, Edwards, Gore, Clinton, Bayh and I can name a few more would have taken him to the woodshed. I mean geez  Derek he barely beat one of the worst candidates in modern history, a real candidate would have hammered him.

He wasn't popular then either. All Kerry did was suck up. I remember Kerry referring to a timber company Bush "owns" in the second debate and Bush joking about if anyone wants some wood.

No Kerry wasnt popular thats why anyone else woulda hammered that moron.

Stop misreading me. I meant Bush wasn't popular. Kerry was never popular outside of the yacht clubs in New England.

 

Right thats why I am saying anyone beside Kerry, like Bayh, Clinton, Gore even Edwards, Kephardt would have hammered that moron.

It's Gephardt, and those people would have done terrible too. Gore would've been laughed at for the way he acted after 2000 and been portrayed as having a September 10th mindset.  Edwards would have been crushed for his inexperience.  If Bush had looked beatable before 2004, then Clinton would've been the nominee.

[Derek]

Anybody would have beaten that moron, Gore would have crushed him.

Stop hacking. Bush was very popular and unbeatable until the middle of the democratic primaries.

[Derek]

Anybody would have beaten that moron, Gore would have crushed him.

Stop hacking. Bush was very popular and unbeatable until the middle of the democratic primaries.

UMM no he wasnt not by long shot his popularity had fell above 50 percent before then, you dont go from being popular and unbeatable to barley winning against a horrible candidate.

Yes you do just ask Bush Sr. Despite Clinton's appeal he wouldn't have beaten Bush Sr. had he still been in the 90's. It was a slow progression just like his son between 2002 and 2006.

[Derek]

Anybody would have beaten that moron, Gore would have crushed him.

Actually, that's false. Despite Bush Jr.'s incomptence and lack of intellect, he knew how to run a good and extremely nasty and dishonest campaign. He would have beaten a lot of candidates with those kinds of campaign skills. Gore might have beat Bush Jr., but also might not have. It depends on what kind of campaign he would have ran. I mean, after all, Gore did lose in 2000 when all the factors were in his favor.

Bush ran a very friendly campaign.

[Derek]

Anybody would have beaten that moron, Gore would have crushed him.

Actually, that's false. Despite Bush Jr.'s incomptence and lack of intellect, he knew how to run a good and extremely nasty and dishonest campaign. He would have beaten a lot of candidates with those kinds of campaign skills. Gore might have beat Bush Jr., but also might not have. It depends on what kind of campaign he would have ran. I mean, after all, Gore did lose in 2000 when all the factors were in his favor.

Bush ran a very friendly campaign.

I'd replace the word friendly with either "scary", "nasty", or "dishonest".

If the truth is scary for you then I can't help you. Sometimes people need to be scared if that's how they remember what they're up against and nothing else distracts them from their MTV.

[Derek]

Bush was one of the most dishonest, dirtiest, nastiest campaigners ever. I remember in south carolina in 2000 when he played the race card by putting out fliers that McCain had fathered a black child. Made Ann Richards out to be a lesbian in 1994, was behind the swift boat ads. Is that friendly Derek? REALLY? I MEAN REALLY? Karl Rove ran such nice campaigns.Would you please quit posting this deranged bs you put out. You cant believe this crap that write do you?The only, I mean the only reason Bush won in 2004 was because the gay marriage ban was on the ballot in so many states and it brought the evangelicals out in droves.

Oh yes he was behind the swift boat ads right. I believe he denounced them. Ann Richards was an old batalax and a crab tree who couldn't even solve Waco without big brother stepping in. Those flyers weren't from Bush either. Karl Rove is a true American hero.

[Derek]

Bush was one of the most dishonest, dirtiest, nastiest campaigners ever. I remember in south carolina in 2000 when he played the race card by putting out fliers that McCain had fathered a black child. Made Ann Richards out to be a lesbian in 1994, was behind the swift boat ads. Is that friendly Derek? REALLY? I MEAN REALLY? Karl Rove ran such nice campaigns.Would you please quit posting this deranged bs you put out. You cant believe this crap that write do you?The only, I mean the only reason Bush won in 2004 was because the gay marriage ban was on the ballot in so many states and it brought the evangelicals out in droves.

Oh yes he was behind the swift boat ads right. I believe he denounced them. Ann Richards was an old batalax and a crab tree who couldn't even solve Waco without big brother stepping in. Those flyers weren't from Bush either. Karl Rove is a true American hero.

LOL Yet again another deranged bs comment from Derek.

Bush wasn't involved with anything with that. What proof do you have?

[Derek]

Get real dude, Karl Rove was behind all of that, it had his markings all over it.

Oh yes now it's his markings. How about this; Kerry didn't get a post-convention bounce because he is a loser. There I said it.

[Derek]

Nobody cared that much about the Democratic Convention in 2004 (or the Republican Convention for that matter).

I cared about the Republican Convention. It's nice to be reminded of what we're up against sometimes and we have the Republican Party to thank for that. Seeing Rudy Giuliani take the stage was very refreshing as was the number of American flags and patriotism that we saw. No negative attack ads, no threats against Fox News. If only America could take a look back once in a while to remember why we're here, why we're fighting terror. Also, Kerry was mean.

[Derek]

LOL no there werent any attack ads, just a bunch of hipocrits wearing bandaids with purple hearts in them. Probably one of the single most disgraceful displays I have ever seen.

More disgraceful than Kerry taking up a cause with Jane Fonda?

[Derek]

LOL no there werent any attack ads, just a bunch of hipocrits wearing bandaids with purple hearts in them. Probably one of the single most disgraceful displays I have ever seen.

More disgraceful than Kerry taking up a cause with Jane Fonda?

For the millionth time now, that photo was fabricated.

Not all of them.

[Derek]

Let me be clear too. Is it really about a photo and whether or not it was edited? No! It's about what he embraced and accused our men in uniform of doing when he came back. Plus, he met with the enemy without consent of the US and that is treason.

[Derek]

LOL no there werent any attack ads, just a bunch of hipocrits wearing bandaids with purple hearts in them. Probably one of the single most disgraceful displays I have ever seen.

More disgraceful than Kerry taking up a cause with Jane Fonda?

For the millionth time now, that photo was fabricated.

Not all of them.

What photo of Kerry and Fonda is there that wasn't fake?

You are missing the point.

[Derek]

LOL he always does that. He just makes this crap up as he goes. All of his arguments are  just made up and he will finish with stuff like "they dont teach that in schools anymore". LOL I would like to know what they taught him. And he doesnt even know what the definition of treason is.

Derek is just a right-wing pundit that echoes all of Fox News's talking points in this Forum.

Some of his stuff is so ridiculous that fox's talking points wouldnt even say. I swear sometimes I am floored by what he says. I dont mind right wing and left wingers opinions if they can atleast make a sound arguement. He just pulls stuff out of left field.

Some of the stuff I say? Like what?

[Derek]

LOL he always does that. He just makes this crap up as he goes. All of his arguments are  just made up and he will finish with stuff like "they dont teach that in schools anymore". LOL I would like to know what they taught him. And he doesnt even know what the definition of treason is.

Derek is just a right-wing pundit that echoes all of Fox News's talking points in this Forum.

Some of his stuff is so ridiculous that fox's talking points wouldnt even say. I swear sometimes I am floored by what he says. I dont mind right wing and left wingers opinions if they can atleast make a sound arguement. He just pulls stuff out of left field.

Some of the stuff I say? Like what?

Just about everything you say makes no sense and is made up, we should make a forum just for that. I dont mind a right winger or a liberal who has an opinion that can be backed up by fact and logic, but  you write some of the  most  ridiculous things I have ever seen, it really is an insult to peoples intelligence.

I back up almost all of what I say with some form of reasoning. We happen to differ on Iraq and on Bush.