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« Reply #2675 on: June 22, 2012, 04:59:54 pm »
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     Now it is on the Wiki. Smiley
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« Reply #2676 on: June 22, 2012, 05:35:40 pm »
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I have returned from my hiatus. I hope nothing important happened while I was away.
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« Reply #2677 on: June 22, 2012, 06:11:31 pm »
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     Now it is on the Wiki. Smiley
Updated.  Do you or anyone else see any loopholes in the bill or more things that which need to be addressed?

I have returned from my hiatus. I hope nothing important happened while I was away.
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« Reply #2678 on: June 22, 2012, 06:23:32 pm »
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     I think Section 2 becomes a bit unwieldy, since it is dealing with both the logistics of Legislative organization and elections to the Legislature. I suggest splitting off 2.c and the newly proposed 2.d into a new section 3 as such:

3. The legislators shall for electoral purposes be divided into classes A and B.
   a. Class A Legislators shall consist of the current 3 and be elected on the months of January, March, May, July, September, and November. Class B shall consist of 2 new Legislators and be elected along with the Emperor.
   b. In cases where a Class A legislator is elected to a Class B seat or vice versa, his votes shall be nullified and transfered to their seconds, so as to prevent one legislator from holding two seats.
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« Reply #2679 on: June 22, 2012, 06:46:48 pm »
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That makes sense.  So something like this?

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Amendment to the Government Restructuring Act
1. Section C shall be stricken from Part 2
2. A Part 3 shall be added, to read thusly:

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3. The legislators shall for electoral purposes be divided into classes A and B.
   a. Class A Legislators shall consist of the current 3 and be elected on the months of January, March, May, July, September, and November. Class B shall consist of 2 new Legislators and be elected along with the Emperor.
   b. In cases where a Class A legislator is elected to a Class B seat or vice versa, his votes shall be nullified and transfered to their seconds, so as to prevent one legislator from holding two seats.
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I feel like the structure of the amendment is completely wrong...
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« Reply #2680 on: June 22, 2012, 07:08:50 pm »
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Why not just pass a rule "No individual legislator may vote more than once on any vote in the Legislature."
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« Reply #2681 on: June 22, 2012, 09:15:29 pm »
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     That looks good, Yelnoc. Good amendment structure is one of the trickiest parts of statute-writing, I've found.

Why not just pass a rule "No individual legislator may vote more than once on any vote in the Legislature."

     The problem is, what do we do if someone is elected to two seats? Just be shorthanded until we can boot them from one? Yelnoc's amendment helps negate the need to answer difficult questions like those.
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« Reply #2682 on: June 23, 2012, 10:09:12 pm »
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« Reply #2683 on: June 24, 2012, 10:04:06 am »
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If there is no further discussion to be had, I'll close the debate and open a vote tonight.
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« Reply #2684 on: June 24, 2012, 03:44:02 pm »
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That makes sense.  So something like this?

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Amendment to the Government Restructuring Act
1. Section C shall be stricken from Part 2
2. A Part 3 shall be added, to read thusly:

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3. The legislators shall for electoral purposes be divided into classes A and B.
   a. Class A Legislators shall consist of the current 3 and be elected on the months of January, March, May, July, September, and November. Class B shall consist of 2 new Legislators and be elected along with the Emperor.
   b. In cases where a Class A legislator is elected to a Class B seat or vice versa, his votes shall be nullified and transfered to their seconds, so as to prevent one legislator from holding two seats.
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If there is no further discussion to be had, I'll close the debate and open a vote tonight.

The amendment looks structurally sound and tackles the problem. I look forward to the Speaker bringing this up for a vote tonight.
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« Reply #2685 on: June 24, 2012, 08:42:21 pm »
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Very well then, the amendment in question is up to a vote.

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« Reply #2686 on: June 24, 2012, 08:49:52 pm »
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« Reply #2687 on: June 24, 2012, 09:15:08 pm »
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« Reply #2688 on: June 25, 2012, 02:24:45 am »
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« Reply #2689 on: June 25, 2012, 05:53:07 pm »
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Very well, the vote closes and the bill passes.  Now for the next order of business...

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Southern Unity Act

Whereas the people of the South, be they in the IDS, Midwest, or in the Mideast, all share a common bond through culture and history;

And whereas the peoples of certain states outside the Imperial Dominion of the South are still Southern despite imaginary lines;

Be it resolved that effective immediately any citizen registered to vote in Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, Virginia, or West Virginia may vote in any and all elections conducted in the Imperial Dominion of the South.

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« Reply #2690 on: June 25, 2012, 08:01:51 pm »
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In regards to this part:

"...may vote in any and all elections conducted in the Imperial Dominion of the South."

Is this implied to include Senate races as well? If so, will federal election officials allow individuals living in these states to vote in both IDS and Midwest/Mideast elections without intervention? Also, wouldn't this open up the IDS to an increased chance of electoral sabotage, seeing as how anyone in the Mideast or Midwest could move to one of these states within their own region without penalty?

Even if the current RR proposal goes through (which would make this somewhat redundant), Missouri will not be in the IDS. If DoFE says no to allowing individuals to vote in multiple regions but allows those residents to pick which region they want to vote in, then the sole measurement and value of a given state is rendered moot and the state(s) in question would be subject to at least partial takeover by another region (in this case, ours) without any say by those affected regions.

I'm not necessarily against this idea, but would like to hear some clarification.
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« Reply #2691 on: June 26, 2012, 12:41:56 am »
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This does not count for federal elections. only IDS elections
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« Reply #2692 on: June 26, 2012, 01:11:50 am »
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     This is the first bill we've passed in over four months. Cheers!



     On the Amendment to the Government Restructuring Act: by the powers vested in me as Emperor of this region, I thus sign it into law.

     Be it resolved, X Emperor PiT
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« Reply #2693 on: June 26, 2012, 01:17:09 am »
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     My major concern with the Southern Unity Act is that it may sour relations with the Mideast.
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« Reply #2694 on: June 26, 2012, 07:54:30 am »
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    My major concern with the Southern Unity Act is that it may sour relations with the Mideast.

If I may intrude in the IDS's Legislature here's what I think:
In my point of view this bill doesn't hurt the relationship between the Mideast and the IDS. In fact, I would consider it a privilege if I, as a citizen of Kentucky, could vote in IDS elections. As long as you don't lay claim to Mideastern states such as Kentucky I support this idea.

If you want to protect yourself from a scenario where all citizens of the Mideast and Midwest move to these states (Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, Virginia, or West Virginia) in order to have two votes, you could add a clause which specifies that only citizens who have lived in these states for at least 6 months or even a year shall be granted this right.
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« Reply #2695 on: June 26, 2012, 02:18:02 pm »
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     Glad to hear that it is good with the Mideast Governor.

     I was looking at the IDS Constitution. The text of Article IX, Section 4.a.1 means that this will have to be passed as an amendment.
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« Reply #2696 on: June 26, 2012, 03:16:10 pm »
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Hmm, I'll try and re-write it as an amendment and bring it up to amend the bill then.
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« Reply #2697 on: June 26, 2012, 05:09:02 pm »
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I don't want citizens in those states to be able to influence our elections. Our elected officials are here to serve southerners, not those in other regions, and we will run the risk of electing someone with those regions in mind instead of ourselves. Plus, I've always believed in this regions autonomy, our independence and our unique way of approaching atlasia. No offense to those other regions, but I don't want them voting in our elections. Why not just abolish regions if we are going to begin to do this?

And what about fairness? How it is okay for these citizens to vote in our elections if they feel southern but someone else in another state who feels southern wants to vote, they can't. Why not just let everyone who feels southern vote in our elections? What about southerners who moved north? I have plenty of Friend's from charleston who now live in NY, DC, and Boston. Should they be able to vote even if they are no longer citizens?

In short, I can't support this.
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« Reply #2698 on: June 26, 2012, 05:22:18 pm »
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I am offended Indiana is not included in this. Sad We in Southern Indiana consider ourselves part of the South.

Though in all seriousness, is this Consitutional?
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« Reply #2699 on: June 26, 2012, 05:32:32 pm »
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I am offended Indiana is not included in this. Sad We in Southern Indiana consider ourselves part of the South.

We don't have registration down to the intrastate region level yet, though. If we had it, Southern Indiana would be in, but as it is, we can't do that.
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