Libertarian Bashing

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I have a question: why is it necessary to bash libertarians and take so much valuable time to criticize their ideology, if they're just some loonatic fringe comparable to neo-Nazis?

Because Libertarians come off as arrogant.

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Because they're scared of how true most of our beliefs are.

more proof of libertarian arrogance.

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they are condescending, arrogant, and pretend that their small ideology is always right and that everyone else is always wrong. Even if they agree with someone they may claim "you are not liberal/conservative enough"! If any Libertarian ever managed to get in a conversation with me on the street while coming off as a self-righteous prick they better pray not to piss me off.

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Because they're scared of how true most of our beliefs are.

more proof of libertarian arrogance.

Give it a rest. Capitalism works. Socialism doesnt.

hey well right now i think we live in a capitalist society and I think that our government is supportive of capitalism so can you lay off the name calling please.

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they are just plain arrogant, and this is a fact.

Look at how Ron Paul pretended to be "champion of the constitution" without even earning that title. Did he win a competition or something? nope he just simply assumed that his view of the constitution was superior to someone else's view, and anyone who thought otherwise was simply deemed anti-constitution.


In the end that spend too much of their time being critical, and not enough of their time presenting new and interesting ideas.

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they are just plain arrogant, and this is a fact.

Look at how Ron Paul pretended to be "champion of the constitution" without even earning that title. Did he win a competition or something? nope he just simply assumed that his view of the constitution was superior to someone else's view, and anyone who thought otherwise was simply deemed anti-constitution.


In the end that spend too much of their time being critical, and not enough of their time presenting new and interesting ideas.

Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black, again.

care to explain how that logical fallacy applies because that is exactly what Ron Paul and many of his supporters would do.

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they are just plain arrogant, and this is a fact.

Look at how Ron Paul pretended to be "champion of the constitution" without even earning that title. Did he win a competition or something? nope he just simply assumed that his view of the constitution was superior to someone else's view, and anyone who thought otherwise was simply deemed anti-constitution.


In the end that spend too much of their time being critical, and not enough of their time presenting new and interesting ideas.

Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black, again.

care to explain how that logical fallacy applies because that is exactly what Ron Paul and many of his supporters would do.

Because you yourself are a holier-than-thou, arrogant prick, which is exactly what you're accusing all libertarians of being.

In a modern democracy, not only can a libertarian be elitist; a libertarian has to be elitist. To be a libertarian in a modern democracy is to say that nearly 300 million Americans are wrong, and a handful of nay-sayers are right.   ”
    
— Bryan Caplan

Yes I am arrogant,but arrogance of many self-proclaimed Libertarians are tenfold and this is why I enjoy bashing them. Sure it is just my perception, but I have been arguing with libertarians for years. I know more about their ideology than many of them will probably even dare to consider. I know all of their arguments, and I have even read many of their books, papers and so forth.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

they are just plain arrogant, and this is a fact.

Look at how Ron Paul pretended to be "champion of the constitution" without even earning that title. Did he win a competition or something? nope he just simply assumed that his view of the constitution was superior to someone else's view, and anyone who thought otherwise was simply deemed anti-constitution.


In the end that spend too much of their time being critical, and not enough of their time presenting new and interesting ideas.

Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black, again.

care to explain how that logical fallacy applies because that is exactly what Ron Paul and many of his supporters would do.

Because you yourself are a holier-than-thou, arrogant prick, which is exactly what you're accusing all libertarians of being.

In a modern democracy, not only can a libertarian be elitist; a libertarian has to be elitist. To be a libertarian in a modern democracy is to say that nearly 300 million Americans are wrong, and a handful of nay-sayers are right.   ”
    
— Bryan Caplan

Yes I am arrogant,but arrogance of many self-proclaimed Libertarians are tenfold and this is why I enjoy bashing them. Sure it is just my perception, but I have been arguing with libertarians for years. I know more about their ideology than many of them will probably even dare to consider. I know all of their arguments, and I have even read many of their books, papers and so forth.

Well, now you sound like you have some sort of psychological issue.  Don't you have anything more important to do than troll around the Internet and bash libertarians?  Also, your quote implies that libertarians are only a "handful" of the U.S. population, which they are not.

How many self-identified Libertarians are there? make sure that you can provide me with a source to back up any claim you make. I would also like to point out that the "elitist" claim comes from Bryan Caplan who is a self-identified Libertarian.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

they are just plain arrogant, and this is a fact.

Look at how Ron Paul pretended to be "champion of the constitution" without even earning that title. Did he win a competition or something? nope he just simply assumed that his view of the constitution was superior to someone else's view, and anyone who thought otherwise was simply deemed anti-constitution.


In the end that spend too much of their time being critical, and not enough of their time presenting new and interesting ideas.

Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black, again.

care to explain how that logical fallacy applies because that is exactly what Ron Paul and many of his supporters would do.

Because you yourself are a holier-than-thou, arrogant prick, which is exactly what you're accusing all libertarians of being.

In a modern democracy, not only can a libertarian be elitist; a libertarian has to be elitist. To be a libertarian in a modern democracy is to say that nearly 300 million Americans are wrong, and a handful of nay-sayers are right.   ”
    
— Bryan Caplan

Yes I am arrogant,but arrogance of many self-proclaimed Libertarians are tenfold and this is why I enjoy bashing them. Sure it is just my perception, but I have been arguing with libertarians for years. I know more about their ideology than many of them will probably even dare to consider. I know all of their arguments, and I have even read many of their books, papers and so forth.

Well, now you sound like you have some sort of psychological issue.  Don't you have anything more important to do than troll around the Internet and bash libertarians?  Also, your quote implies that libertarians are only a "handful" of the U.S. population, which they are not.

How many self-identified Libertarians are there? make sure that you can provide me with a source to back up any claim you make. I would also like to point out that the "elitist" claim comes from Bryan Caplan who is a self-identified Libertarian.

About twenty percent.

So 20% of americans are self-identified Libertarians(notice the emphasis on self). Individuals can claim to be socially liberal and economically conservative but that does not mean that they are Libertarians.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

they are just plain arrogant, and this is a fact.

Look at how Ron Paul pretended to be "champion of the constitution" without even earning that title. Did he win a competition or something? nope he just simply assumed that his view of the constitution was superior to someone else's view, and anyone who thought otherwise was simply deemed anti-constitution.


In the end that spend too much of their time being critical, and not enough of their time presenting new and interesting ideas.

Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black, again.

care to explain how that logical fallacy applies because that is exactly what Ron Paul and many of his supporters would do.

Because you yourself are a holier-than-thou, arrogant prick, which is exactly what you're accusing all libertarians of being.

In a modern democracy, not only can a libertarian be elitist; a libertarian has to be elitist. To be a libertarian in a modern democracy is to say that nearly 300 million Americans are wrong, and a handful of nay-sayers are right.   ”
    
— Bryan Caplan

Yes I am arrogant,but arrogance of many self-proclaimed Libertarians are tenfold and this is why I enjoy bashing them. Sure it is just my perception, but I have been arguing with libertarians for years. I know more about their ideology than many of them will probably even dare to consider. I know all of their arguments, and I have even read many of their books, papers and so forth.

Well, now you sound like you have some sort of psychological issue.  Don't you have anything more important to do than troll around the Internet and bash libertarians?  Also, your quote implies that libertarians are only a "handful" of the U.S. population, which they are not.

How many self-identified Libertarians are there? make sure that you can provide me with a source to back up any claim you make. I would also like to point out that the "elitist" claim comes from Bryan Caplan who is a self-identified Libertarian.

About twenty percent.

So 20% of americans are self-identified Libertarians(notice the emphasis on self). Individuals can claim to be socially liberal and economically conservative but that does not mean that they are Libertarians.

By definition, libertarians believe in social and economic freedom.  Therefor, they are socially liberal and economically conservative, as are twenty percent of Americans.

Economic freedom sounds like a very subject phrase, but you can be economically conservative and socially liberal while still supporting non-libertarian ideologies.

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20% of Americans are socially liberal/ economically conservative and thus 20% of Americans are Libertarian! Some how this sounds like a logical fallacy but i am not sure if it is Fallacy of composition or Equivocation?

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20% of Americans are socially liberal/ economically conservative and thus 20% of Americans are Libertarian! Some how this sounds like a logical fallacy but i am not sure if it is Fallacy of composition or Equivocation?

Lol i am going to have fun with this claim! 20% of Americans are socially liberal/ economically conservative and thus 20% of Americans are Log Cabin Republicans!

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Trying to define libertarianism will add 5 pages to this thread with libertarians arguing with each other.

lol this thread is stupid and it is funny how people are offended. Its an opinionated thread....

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Trying to define libertarianism will add 5 pages to this thread with libertarians arguing with each other.

lol this thread is stupid and it is funny how people are offended. Its an opinionated thread....

This thread only gets stupid when you post in it.

are you actually taking this thread seriously?

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Trying to define libertarianism will add 5 pages to this thread with libertarians arguing with each other.

lol this thread is stupid and it is funny how people are offended. Its an opinionated thread....

This thread only gets stupid when you post in it.

are you actually taking this thread seriously?

I take most things seriously. You happen to be an exception.

Lol.....I have done very little except give my opinion and it seems that you have become offended. Without even trying I have managed to get under your skin.....it is a good feeling. of course it isn't really much of an accomplishment.

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ROFL
here is why I bash them.....Because it is easy.

They claim that they are true liberals or liberals in the classical sense.
They claim that they follow the true meaning of the constitution.
They claim that the free market is the best thing since wonder bread.
all of the above things are debatable and shouldn't be treated as fact....sounds more like opinion to me.
They use the word socialist,liberal, communist, statist, fascist, and collectivist to describe a political ideology that isn't theirs. I have learned that political name calling is a bad thing so instead of labeling others i just simply ask what their views are.

Now not every libertarian thinks like this,but most of the time they often act like this around me.

If they want to present their ideas to me they can...

I have three qeustions for Libertarians.
if the fed is abolished than what will happen to the bond market?
what will happen to the exchange value of the dollar, and the labor market if we legalize weed?
if we get rid of anti-trust laws....how will price elasticity be effected?

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This needed it's own thread, why?

Oh right- attention.

nope because this isn't about bashing but is instead bout challenging individuals to think

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You seem like the type of guy who has the universe figured out, which is a bad complex for one to have. In all of your posts, you speak from a closed, not open, perspective on ideals. It may have been open at one time, but it appears to have shut. The attitude shown is a very "holier-then-thou" mindset, and one unable to grasp the fact that he might be wrong and to consider other ideas. In essence, you are a political hack. 

I dont have the universe figured out and this why i am asking a few questions.....

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Here's a question for you: why don't you just shut up and stop being an antagonistic little creep?

why don't you answer one of the qeustions and than provide your supporting details.

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Here's a question for you: why don't you just shut up and stop being an antagonistic little creep?

why don't you answer one of the qeustions and than provide your supporting details.

Why don't you be more civil, instead of acting like an insecure, small-dicked little sh-t?

stop changing the subject.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

You seem like the type of guy who has the universe figured out, which is a bad complex for one to have. In all of your posts, you speak from a closed, not open, perspective on ideals. It may have been open at one time, but it appears to have shut. The attitude shown is a very "holier-then-thou" mindset, and one unable to grasp the fact that he might be wrong and to consider other ideas. In essence, you are a political hack. 

I am open to considering ideas and this is why I am asking three questions.