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« on: April 05, 2010, 10:26:31 pm »

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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2010, 10:35:54 pm »

McCain would narrowly defeat Obama. The economy is what elected Obama, before the Crash polls had McCain and Obama even.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2010, 10:40:16 pm »

McCain would narrowly defeat Obama. The economy is what elected Obama, before the Crash polls had McCain and Obama even.

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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2010, 10:42:25 pm »

There wouldn't be an EV change, just a closer PV.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2010, 10:45:57 pm »
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2010, 11:09:32 pm »

Going by what polls showed by state, before the crash. I'd say narrow bush 04 margin vctory for Obama

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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2010, 11:24:07 pm »



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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 02:17:25 am »

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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 06:11:14 am »

Why do people think Virginia would still flip to Obama, even when the GOP is winning Florida, Ohio, and even the Upper Midwest? McCain was taking an increasing lead in the polls right up until the financial crisis struck.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 08:04:10 am »

Why do people think Virginia would still flip to Obama, even when the GOP is winning Florida, Ohio, and even the Upper Midwest? McCain was taking an increasing lead in the polls right up until the financial crisis struck.

It was narrowing just before the crash, actually.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 09:53:47 am »



McCain would win due to his experience, and foreign policy plans.

McCain/Palin-275
Obama.Biden-263
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 10:53:23 am »

Why do people think Virginia would still flip to Obama, even when the GOP is winning Florida, Ohio, and even the Upper Midwest? McCain was taking an increasing lead in the polls right up until the financial crisis struck.
I based my map on an actual map I saw mid-September before the crash, or atleast to the best of my recollection. Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 02:10:13 pm »

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Closer than 2004 but not by much.
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 02:16:21 pm »

Why do people think Virginia would still flip to Obama, even when the GOP is winning Florida, Ohio, and even the Upper Midwest? McCain was taking an increasing lead in the polls right up until the financial crisis struck.

It was narrowing just before the crash, actually.

McCain took his widest lead during the whole campaign season right before the financial crisis struck.
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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2010, 02:27:04 pm »

Why do people think Virginia would still flip to Obama, even when the GOP is winning Florida, Ohio, and even the Upper Midwest? McCain was taking an increasing lead in the polls right up until the financial crisis struck.

It was narrowing just before the crash, actually.

McCain took his widest lead during the whole campaign season right before the financial crisis struck.

In Virginia, Obama was leading by six points on 9/12. 

Look, I know it's hard for you guys to believe, but Obama was pretty undefeatable in 2008.

McCain never had substantial leads over Obama...

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/
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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2010, 02:30:07 pm »

Why do people think Virginia would still flip to Obama, even when the GOP is winning Florida, Ohio, and even the Upper Midwest? McCain was taking an increasing lead in the polls right up until the financial crisis struck.

It was narrowing just before the crash, actually.

McCain took his widest lead during the whole campaign season right before the financial crisis struck.

In Virginia, Obama was leading by six points on 9/12. 

On 9/12, McCain led Obama in Virginia by three points. Obama didn't take the lead again until 9/26.

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Except he did. Obama would have gone down in an embarrassing landslide defeat in the midst of a strong Democratic year had he not been saved by the financial crisis and Palin's gaffes.
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2010, 06:26:49 pm »



Obama/Clinton-311 EV
McCain/Palin-227 EV

Without the financial crisis, Obama drops Biden for Hillary since he is afraid he might lose.
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2010, 06:52:24 pm »



McCain would win due to his experience, and foreign policy plans.

McCain/Palin-275
Obama.Biden-263
lol, IL?
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2010, 06:59:06 pm »



McCain would win due to his experience, and foreign policy plans.

McCain/Palin-275
Obama.Biden-263
lol, IL?

I really hope he clicked the wrong option.
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2010, 01:06:19 pm »

Obama still wins by a decent margin, but McCain hangs on to Virgina, North Carolina, Indiana and possibly Flordia. Ohio's closer.
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2010, 01:07:38 pm »



Obama/Clinton-311 EV
McCain/Palin-227 EV

Without the financial crisis, Obama drops Biden for Hillary since he is afraid he might lose.

lol no
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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2010, 01:08:39 pm »



Obama/Clinton-311 EV
McCain/Palin-227 EV

Without the financial crisis, Obama drops Biden for Hillary since he is afraid he might lose.

lol no

Do people take this Rochembeau creature seriously?
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2010, 06:37:26 pm »



Obama/Clinton-311 EV
McCain/Palin-227 EV

Without the financial crisis, Obama drops Biden for Hillary since he is afraid he might lose.

lol no

Do people take this Rochembeau creature seriously?

This is an unfair personal atatck. Anyway, there was some speculation that Obama might have done this in 2008 if he did not establish a solid lead in the polls (which he did after he fianncial crisis). If there would have been no financial crisis, the race might have remained very close (unless Palin would have still made some gaffes, which would have been a different matter). Consider how badly Obama wanted to win and that there would have been very little or no downside in switching Biden for Hillary, I could see Obama doing this if and only if the race between him and McCain would have remained close (or if he would have been trailing McCain in the polls). Since the financial crisis created a solid lead for Obama, he didn't have to do this in RL and thus, he didn't switch VPs.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2010, 12:13:50 am »



Obama/Clinton-311 EV
McCain/Palin-227 EV

Without the financial crisis, Obama drops Biden for Hillary since he is afraid he might lose.

lol no

Do people take this Rochembeau creature seriously?

This is an unfair personal atatck. Anyway, there was some speculation that Obama might have done this in 2008 if he did not establish a solid lead in the polls (which he did after he fianncial crisis). If there would have been no financial crisis, the race might have remained very close (unless Palin would have still made some gaffes, which would have been a different matter). Consider how badly Obama wanted to win and that there would have been very little or no downside in switching Biden for Hillary, I could see Obama doing this if and only if the race between him and McCain would have remained close (or if he would have been trailing McCain in the polls). Since the financial crisis created a solid lead for Obama, he didn't have to do this in RL and thus, he didn't switch VPs.

No downside? what about the attacks that would come against him for "doing anything to win"? It would never, ever happen.
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