HMX explosives left unsecured by troops

[shankbear]

Are these Ministry of Science Iraqis former Bathist Party members?  360 tons vs. 3 tons.  Even the IEA UN papers say there was possibly only 3 tons.  Who to believe.

[J. J.]

Are these Ministry of Science Iraqis former Bathist Party members?  360 tons vs. 3 tons.  Even the IEA UN papers say there was possibly only 3 tons.  Who to believe.

Three tons is possible.  It could be removed in a few days. 

The details have not yet come out.  That creates a problem for Kerry obviously.  He has to stick to the 360 tons unless he wants to look stupid and having incredibly bad judgment, dishonest, or a flipflopper.

[shankbear]

j.j....I have probably missed it in the news but who has actually been at the site in the last 18 months?  Iraqis?  US?  Who has inventoried the site lately?

[J. J.]

j.j....I have probably missed it in the news but who has actually been at the site in the last 18 months?  Iraqis?  US?  Who has inventoried the site lately?

Nobody.  :-)

What we know is that inspectors saw and sealed it in Jan. 2003, that the inspectors saw the seal in early March, and that it wasn't there on May 8, 2004.  The US Army got there in early April, I think.

There is a video recorded on April 18, 2003, that jfool makes much that shows, well something.  The news crew that made the tape, and the inspectors, have not been able to confirm that this showed the explosives in question, HMX.

If it is the explosives in question, they would have to have been stolen over the 20 days between the taping and the Army inspection.  It's exceptionally hard to move 360 metric tones, roughly 794,000 pounds, in 20 days.  Because of that, and because there is circumstancial evidence, i.e. there were truck there just before the war, it's unikely to be true.

3 metric tons could have been moved, fairly easily, within those 20 days.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Are these Ministry of Science Iraqis former Bathist Party members?  360 tons vs. 3 tons.  Even the IEA UN papers say there was possibly only 3 tons.  Who to believe.

Three tons is possible.  It could be removed in a few days. 

The details have not yet come out.  That creates a problem for Kerry obviously.  He has to stick to the 360 tons unless he wants to look stupid and having incredibly bad judgment, dishonest, or a flipflopper.

Damn those flip-floppers who are against a 9/11 commission and then for it, against a Dept. of Homeland security and then for it, against civil unions, and then for it......

[J. J.]

Are these Ministry of Science Iraqis former Bathist Party members?  360 tons vs. 3 tons.  Even the IEA UN papers say there was possibly only 3 tons.  Who to believe.

Three tons is possible.  It could be removed in a few days. 

The details have not yet come out.  That creates a problem for Kerry obviously.  He has to stick to the 360 tons unless he wants to look stupid and having incredibly bad judgment, dishonest, or a flipflopper.

Damn those flip-floppers who are against a 9/11 commission and then for it, against a Dept. of Homeland security and then for it, against civil unions, and then for it......

Hey, of always said the problem here is trying to explain how 360 metric tons were moved.  It's a lot easier with 3 metric tons; you don't run into the same problem.  Ah, that, BTW, is called intellectual honesty.

Kerry overplayed it by latching on to the 360 metric tons figure.  If he would have said some or part, he wouldn't be having this problem.

[shankbear]

There have been a lot of U.S troops in that area since it fell.  It is extremely difficult to believe that a bunch of people in big trucks could just pull up to this site and load up 360 tons of ANYTHING without U.S. forces falling in on them.

The little video by that TV station shows so little that no definitive determination can be made by it.  It is silly to say otherwise.

It looks like the whole country was a giant ammo dump and thank God we have captured most of it.  Sounds like a great job by our troops.

[J. J.]

There have been a lot of U.S troops in that area since it fell.  It is extremely difficult to believe that a bunch of people in big trucks could just pull up to this site and load up 360 tons of ANYTHING without U.S. forces falling in on them.

Bingo!  I could very easily believe that several tons could be taken out over 20 days.  That would be plausible, though there isn't any proof.  It's the weight that runs into into the problem.  Too much, 360 tons, in too little time, 20 days. 

You also have to factor in:

1.  That the area where the video tape was shot was within the defensive perimeter of a brigade of the 101 Airborne. 

2.  The roads in and out of the area were being used continiously by the US Army.

It would next to impossible to get large trucks into or out of the site in those conditions.

You also have evidence, satellite imaging does show trucks by those bunkers, after the last inspection but before the US troops arrived.  It's not proof, but it is circumstantial evidence that the explosives were moved prior to the US showing up.

Those people suggesting that the explosives were still there can only spin and can't explain away this evidence.

[shankbear]

just read that the Iraqis are saying that maybe the stuff was gone before we got there....mas later

[Engineer]

Sorry all, long doctoral dissertation here.

We have the original ABC News report:

Oct. 28, 2004 — The strongest evidence to date indicates that conventional explosives missing from Iraq's Al-Qaqaa installation disappeared after the United States had taken control of Iraq.
Barrels inside the Al-Qaqaa facility appear on videotape shot by ABC television affiliate KSTP of St. Paul, Minn., which had a crew embedded with the 101st Airborne Division when it passed through Al-Qaqaa on April 18, 2003 — nine days after Baghdad fell.
Experts who have studied the images say the barrels on the tape contain the high explosive HMX, and the universal markings on the barrels are clear that these are highly dangerous explosives.
"I talked to a former inspector who's a colleague of mine, and he confirmed that, indeed, these pictures look just like what he remembers seeing inside those bunkers," said David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington.
The barrels were found inside sealed bunkers, which American soldiers are seen on the videotape cutting through. Inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency sealed the bunkers where the explosives were kept just before the war began.
"The seal's critical," Albright said. "The fact that there's a photo of what looks like an IAEA seal means that what's behind those doors is HMX. They only sealed bunkers that had HMX in them."
After the bunkers were opened, the 101st was not ordered to secure the facility. A senior officer told ABC News the division would not have had nearly enough soldiers to do so.
It remains unclear how much HMX was at the facility, but what does seem clear is that the U.S. military opened the bunkers at Al-Qaqaa and left them unguarded. Since then, the material has disappeared
Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita said it's not clear what the photos indicate.
"We know there were other units in the area who acknowledged finding explosives," he said. "Some Explosive Ordnance Destruction units have a recollection that some high explosives in the area were taken out of there."
DiRita said the Pentagon is trying to contact the units of the 101st Airborne Division that may have been involved in the opening of these bunkers to get a better sense of what happened.

And their follow up report:
Oct. 28, 2004 -- A Minnesota television station news crew reporting from Iraq in the spring of 2003 came very close to the spot where tons of high explosives are alleged to have disappeared.
Based on GPS data and confirmation from officials of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division, KSTP-TV 5 Eyewitness News determined its crew was on or near the southern edge of the Al-Qaqaa installation on April 18, 2003, nine days after the fall of Baghdad.
KSTP in St. Paul is an ABC News affiliate station. Its journalists were embedded with the 101st at the time and shot exclusive footage that may raise new questions about the controversy surrounding the fate of those munitions.
Some 377 tons of high explosives — HMX and RDX and PETN — are said to be missing from the Al-Qaqaa weapons depot and questions have arisen about what the United States knew about the site and what it did to secure it.
During the April 2003 visit, the KSTP reporters say they witnessed U.S. soldiers using bolt cutters to get into bunkers. Inside, they found many containers marked "explosives." At least one set of crates carried the name "Al-Qaqaa State Establishment."
Military personnel told KSTP that the outside perimeter of the area visited had been secured. But the journalists say the area felt more like no-man's-land.
"At one point, there was a group of Iraqis driving around in a pickup truck," said former KSTP reporter Dean Staley. "We were worried they might come near us."
Photojournalist Joe Caffrey recalls seeing Iraqis watching them as they went through the bunkers. As his crew and the troops from the 101st departed each bunker, they left them open.
"We weren't quite sure what we were looking at," said Caffrey. "But we saw so much of it and it didn't appear that this was being secured in any way. It was several miles away from where military people were staying in their tents."
Caffrey also recalled overhearing a military briefing after curious soldiers had encountered another bunker.

And the Minnesota news report:
A 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS crew in Iraq may have been just a door away from materials that could be used to detonate nuclear weapons.
The evidence is in videotape shot by Reporter Dean Staley and Photographer Joe Caffrey at or near the Al Qaqaa munitions facility.
The video shows a cable locking a door shut. That cable is connected by a copper colored seal.
A spokesperson for the International Atomic Energy Agency told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that seal appears to be one used by their inspectors.
"In Iraq they were used when there was a concern that this could have a, what we call, dual use purpose, that there could be a nuclear weapons application."

Now some comments.

And of course the most important part, the video, which is a must watch before anybody starts to make comments.


Please note the following with appropriate observations.

1.  The video shows a soldier using bolt cutters to cut a lock on a bunker.  Nowhere can I see the IAEA seal on this bunker.  The IAEA seal mentioned in the first ABC News article:  "The seal's critical," Albright said. "The fact that there's a photo of what looks like an IAEA seal means that what's behind those doors is HMX. They only sealed bunkers that had HMX in them."  There is no evidence when or where this photo was taken.
2.  The barrels contained high explosives.  The first article and the video confirm this: Experts who have studied the images say the barrels on the tape contain the high explosive HMX, and the universal markings on the barrels are clear that these are highly dangerous explosives.  No doubt the barrels contained explosives.
3.  An “inspector?” who was there confirmed that he saw these barrels:  "I talked to a former inspector who's a colleague of mine, and he confirmed that, indeed, these pictures look just like what he remembers seeing inside those bunkers," said David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington.  If this is true, which we have no reason to believe; a.) why didn’t he alert the army to what was there, b.) maybe he did not know at the time what it was, if that is the case he is incompetent,, c.)  why if he knew what is was, has it been a year and a half and he is only now telling.  Let’s also give the name of this colleague.
4.  Crates are clearly marked (from the second ABC News report:   At least one set of crates carried the name "Al-Qaqaa State Establishment."  Why they are written in English is a mystery to me.
5.  Analysis:  Watch the video closely.  The solder cuts the lock and enters the bunker.  We see a myriad of items.  We see a pan shot of the barrels marked with the explosives symbol on them.  The article shows a close-up of the explosives symbol on the barrel.  The explosive where definitely there!  But watch the video again.  The panning shot of the barrels shows about 40 to 50 barrels.  40% of the barrels are open and empty!  The explosives were there at some time, but when the video was made, they were already gone, and the bunker was still sealed!   Somebody removed the explosives (through the ventilation shaft which wasn’t sealed, or maybe through the doors which were resealed) before our troops got there. This seems a lot more plausible than having 380 tons moved afterwards when the roads were all watched.

[J. J.]

Good observations, Engineer. 

The problem is the plausibility of the moving of the explosives.

[Engineer]

Just to add another 'theory' to the missing explosives.

The open barrels in the video: a.) did the army find them in that condition, or, b.) did they find the barrels sealed, open them up and find them empty.

If it's the latter, what does that say for the UN inspectors.

[shankbear]

hearing the Pentagon briefing of Major Austin Pearson it seems that there are distinctly competing stories as to these explosives.  I would believe an officer on the scene quicker than some Iraqi who cannot get his story straight.  I would go with him over the TV station that shot some video at a site that MAY have been at Al QaQaa.  The TV station says that they do not know where they were.

I would go with the grunts on the ground who have the credibility and the expertise to do their jobs.

The are MANY questions as to these explosives but there are NO definitive answers.  Kerry has been out there saying it is a fact.  He has now stopped saying that.  Another flip flop?  I don't know.....not enough information yet.

[khirkhib]

The Known al Qa Qaa Timeline:


January 2003 -- Al Qa Qaa is "fully inventoried" by IAEA.[1]

March 15, 2003 -- The IAEA confirms the now-missing explosives are accounted for and sealed in place. The Bush Administration subsequently warns UN/IAEA Inspectors to leave country before the invasion begins.[2]

Between March 15 and 19, 2003 -- UN/IAEA Inspectors leave.[2]

March 19, 2003 -- Invasion begins. IAEA warns US of need to secure the al Qa Qaa site.[2,3]

'Immediately after invasion' -- The AP reports: "At the Pentagon, an official who monitors developments in Iraq said US-led coalition troops had searched Al-Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, which had been under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact. Thereafter the site was not secured by U.S. forces, the official said, also speaking on condition of anonymity."[1]

April 3, 2003 -- Col. Dave Perkins and 3ID battle Iraqis at the al Qa Qaa site but do not search for weapons or explosives. Perkins states area roads were broken up and routes jammed with US convoys, making it improbable that large amounts of material were being transferred all at once (ie, via truck) without being seen.[3]

April 9, 2003 -- Baghdad falls.[2]

April 10, 2003 -- 101st Airborne, under the command of Col. Joseph Anderson, spends 24 hours at al Qa Qaa as a pit stop on its way to Baghdad but does not inspect the cache; they were not ordered to inspect the area.[2,4] (According to the AP and Reuters, troops were not assigned to inspect for weapons or explosives. That is why none were observed -- the troops were not searching for known [or what should have been known] material -- not because the explosives weren't there on the sprawling complex.[2,3])

April 10, 2003 -- Embedded reporter Dana Lewis, with NBC at the time and traveling with the 101st, tapes footage showing explosives material still under IAEA lock and seal throughout the complex.[5]

April 18, 2003 -- Video footage from an embedded reporter shows barrels of explosives still under locked IAEA seals.[6]

May 3, 2003 -- UN requests that Coalition inspectors be sent to the site.[2]

May 8 & 11, 2003 -- Coalition Forces' site survey teams conduct site visits at al Qa Qaa; extent/thoroughness unknown.[2]

May 27, 2003 -- Coalition Forces' site survey teams apparently conduct a search specifically for high-grade explosives at al Qa Qaa and find broken seals with some looters on site. AP reports: "It's not clear whether they did a further accounting of the materials themselves."[2]

October 10, 2004 -- UN inspectors (IAEA) are asked by Iraqi Government authorities to inspect the site after alerting them to the disappearance at al Qa Qaa.[2]

October 15, 2004 and later -- After confirmation, the IAEA later reports to the US and UN that the 380 tons of HMX and RDX that had been stored at al Qa Qaa are now gone.[1]

==
References:

[1] 380 tons of explosives missing in Iraq, By ASSOCIATED PRESS. Oct. 25, 2004 17:45  | Updated Oct. 25, 2004 17:49. Referenced via Jerusalem Post.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1098677410357

[2] What Happened to Missing Iraq Explosives, By CHRISTOPHER CHESTER, Associated Press. Wed Oct 27, 4:47 PM ET. Referenced via Yahoo News.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041027/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_weapons_q_a_1

[3] First U.S. Unit at Iraq Site Did Not Hunt Explosives, By Will Dunham  (Reuters). Wed Oct 27, 6:42 PM ET.  Referenced via Yahoo News.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=3&u=/nm/20041027/ts_nm/iraq_explos ives_pentagon_dc

[4] 4 Iraqis Tell of Looting at Munitions Site in '03, By James Glanz and Jim Dwyer, New York Times. October 28, 2004. Referenced via New York Times website.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/28/international/middleeast/28bomb.html?oref=login&oref=login& ;pagewanted=print&position

[5] Fox News Channel. Brit Hume interview of Dana Lewis. Broadcast October 26, 2004 18:22:25. Accessed via ShadowTV.com (with transcript).
http://www.shadowtv.com/redirect/notification.jsp?vid=06e78d4352e4f47c0c1a0bf147c30ce2

[6] KSTP-tv, Minneapolis-St. Paul channel 5 ABC affiliate. Embedded reporter's footage of al Qa Qaa depicting explosives containers still under IAEA lock and seal. Footage taped April 18, 2003. Referenced via KSTP-tv website.
http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1

[J. J.]

You forgot one (at least):

April 13, 2003 - Army demolition team destroys the bulk of explosives at the site.  This was just release from the Pentagon.

The destruction may or may not have included the HMX.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

You forgot one (at least):

April 13, 2003 - Army demolition team destroys the bulk of explosives at the site.  This was just release from the Pentagon.

The destruction may or may not have included the HMX.

The Pentagon has already been busted lying on the explosives issue. They're trying desperately to save Bush's ass..... and failing.

[J. J.]

The Pentagon has already been busted lying on the explosives issue. They're trying desperately to save Bush's ass..... and failing.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Where were they lying, in their tents?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

The Pentagon has already been busted lying on the explosives issue. They're trying desperately to save Bush's ass..... and failing.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Where were they lying, in their tents?

You are not funny.

The Pentagon released a photo of a truck next to a bunker that they said had HMX. That bunker did not have HMX.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/al_qa_qaa-imagery4.htm

[J. J.]

The Pentagon has already been busted lying on the explosives issue. They're trying desperately to save Bush's ass..... and failing.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Where were they lying, in their tents?

You are not funny.

The Pentagon released a photo of a truck next to a bunker that they said had HMX. That bunker did not have HMX.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/al_qa_qaa-imagery4.htm

I am seeing them within about 500 yards of one.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

The Pentagon has already been busted lying on the explosives issue. They're trying desperately to save Bush's ass..... and failing.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Where were they lying, in their tents?

You are not funny.

The Pentagon released a photo of a truck next to a bunker that they said had HMX. That bunker did not have HMX.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/al_qa_qaa-imagery4.htm

I am seeing them within about 500 yards of one.

The Pentagon said they were right in front of one.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Borrowed from here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/29/13056/484

he Republicans are doing their level best to muddy the waters on the explosives issue. That means that part of our job has to be to get out a clear, well documented and referenced narrative to counter their noise machine. I hesitated to create yet another diary on this subject but what I want to do here is to consolidate all the great info that's being ferreted by the whole team here and organize it neatly so we have all the facts right at hand.

The second job then is to get it out to everyone. The latest Republican spin is: "this helps us" - not sure how they justify that but we need to counter it by drawing the next conclusion: lost explosives show how incompetent the Bush team is.

Another new dimension to this story which is emerging is the "this is just the tip of the iceberg" storyline.

To sumarize:

1. Al-Qaqaa explosives looted on Bush's watch
2. Bush ordered the oil ministry guarded, NOT the arms depots - shows both incompetence and true motivations.
3. This is just the tip of the iceberg for missing arms
4. MOST important: Bush needs to take responsibility for the fiasco



Diaries :: storme's diary ::

List of Media Outlets
Help the media get the story right - take a few minutes to push this. Especially helpful is to point out how they are lying: the misleading Pentagon photos and the Shaw lies. Shows that they are desperate and trying to weasel out of taking responsibility.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/1/183955/602

The explosives were at Al-Qaqaa when the 101st Airborne Division arrived

1. KSTP footage show explosives in Al-Qaqaa bunkers during invasion.
http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1

2. KSTP footage shows SEALED bunkers with IAEA tag
http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3741.html?cat=1

3. ABC Video shows explosives at Al Qaqaa on April 18th as reported by the NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/29/politics/29bomb.html?...

4. ABC News reports that the seals indicate HMX was in bunker
"The seal's critical," Albright said. "The fact that there's a photo of what looks like an IAEA seal means that what's behind those doors is HMX. They only sealed bunkers that had HMX in them."
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=206847

5. NY Times reports Al-Qaqaa looted after Americans left: 4 eyewitnesses
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/28/international/middlee... 50b42da5ffd60de&ei=5094&partner=homepage

6. UK Independent News eyewitness reports explosives looted after US left.
"Al-Qaqa'a, the Iraqi military complex from which 350 tons of explosives disappeared, was looted after US troops left the area refusing requests to protect the site, Iraqi witnesses say." http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.j...

7. David Kay on ABC tells Aaron Brown: "That is an IAEA seal" and "Those are barrels of HMX"
Transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/28/asb.01.h...

The explosives were NOT removed by US troops
1. ABC Video shows explosives at Al Qaqaa on April 18th as reported by the NY Times: NY Times story

2. The Pentagon press conference Friday AM failed to show that the equipment the soldier spoke of removing was in any way connected to the missing HMX and later photos show the explosives still present on April 18th. The Pentagon is providing political damage control for Bush - why is the Pentagon misleading the American public?

Other Ammo depots abandoned and looted

1. U.S. left ammo site unguarded reports the Oregonian
"Six months after the fall of Baghdad, a vast Iraqi weapons depot with tens of thousands of artillery rounds and other explosives remained unguarded, according to two U.S. aid workers who say they reported looting of the site to U.S. military officials."
http://oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/fr...

2. The looting of Iraq's arsenal - Salon reports looting of another arms depot
"But Al Qaqaa is not the whole story. The same month it was being looted, I learned of another major weapons and ammunition storage facility, near my battalion's base at Camp Anaconda, that was unguarded and targeted by looters. But despite my repeated warnings -- and those of other U.S. intelligence agents -- nothing was done to secure this facility, as it was systematically stripped of enough weapons and explosives to equip anti-U.S. insurgents with enough roadside improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, for years to come."
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/anaconda/i...


Pentagon photos of trucks at Al-Qaqaa are deliberately misleading

1. ** The trucks pictured in the Pentagon satellite photos are NOT at any of the nine bunkers identified by the IAEA as containing the missing explosive stockpiles. Is the pentagon trying to mislead the press? **

"a comparison of features in the DoD-released imagery with available commercial satellite imagery, combined with the use of an IAEA map showing the location of bunkers used to store the HMX explosives, reveals that the trucks pictured on the DoD image are not at any of the nine bunkers indentified by the IAEA as containing the missing explosive stockpiles. "

Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/al_qa_qaa-...


"The Russians took explosives" story is a lie - Did the Bush campaign ask Shaw to lie?

1. The Russian foreign ministry refutes the story: "Vyacheslav Sedov, the head of the Russian Defence Ministry's press service, quoted by Interfax news agency, said "one cannot regard such reports as other than far-fetched and ridiculous."
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/10/28/iraqrefute.shtml

2 continued. John Shaw, the source of the Russia story is a liar and a fraud:
"A senior Defense Department official conducted unauthorized investigations of Iraq reconstruction efforts and used their results to push for lucrative contracts for friends and their business clients, according to current and former Pentagon officials and documents.

John A. "Jack" Shaw, deputy undersecretary for international technology security, represented himself as an agent of the Pentagon's inspector general in conducting the investigations, sources said.

In one case, Shaw disguised himself as an employee of Halliburton Co. and gained access to a port in southern Iraq after he was denied entry by the U.S. military, the sources said. "
Source: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6441.ht...

[J. J.]

You claim that they were looted is kinda hard to make since:

1.  You have not been able to show how.

2.  The video notes that the bunker where the tape was shot was inside the parimeter of an encampment of a brigade of the 101st Airborne.

3.  There is a witness to some of the explosives Kerry claimed was missing being blown up.

This is just jFOOL being a hack and repeating the party lie, er, line.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

You claim that they were looted is kinda hard to make since:

1.  You have not been able to show how.

2.  The video notes that the bunker where the tape was shot was inside the parimeter of an encampment of a brigade of the 101st Airborne.

3.  There is a witness to some of the explosives Kerry claimed was missing being blown up.

This is just jFOOL being a hack and repeating the party lie, er, line.

No proof that the blown up explosives were IAEA.
There is proof that IAEA explosives were left unsecured.

You are a sore loser.

[J. J.]

You claim that they were looted is kinda hard to make since:

1.  You have not been able to show how.

2.  The video notes that the bunker where the tape was shot was inside the parimeter of an encampment of a brigade of the 101st Airborne.

3.  There is a witness to some of the explosives Kerry claimed was missing being blown up.

This is just jFOOL being a hack and repeating the party lie, er, line.

No proof that the blown up explosives were IAEA.
There is proof that IAEA explosives were left unsecured.

You are a sore loser.

No, unlike you, jfool[/i], I'm honest.  You can't answer the questions so you just spin, spin away, reciting the the party lie, ah, line.

Why don't you answer the question?  Are you incapable of doing so?  It seems Kerry is.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

You claim that they were looted is kinda hard to make since:

1.  You have not been able to show how.

2.  The video notes that the bunker where the tape was shot was inside the parimeter of an encampment of a brigade of the 101st Airborne.

3.  There is a witness to some of the explosives Kerry claimed was missing being blown up.

This is just jFOOL being a hack and repeating the party lie, er, line.

No proof that the blown up explosives were IAEA.
There is proof that IAEA explosives were left unsecured.

You are a sore loser.

No, unlike you, jfool[/i], I'm honest.  You can't answer the questions so you just spin, spin away, reciting the the party lie, ah, line.

Why don't you answer the question?  Are you incapable of doing so?  It seems Kerry is.

Let me see if I can get the names, licenses, mother's maiden names, and current location of all of the looters involved.