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« Reply #75 on: September 03, 2010, 01:52:04 PM »

My reason for considering Pulp Fiction to be Christian propaganda has nothing to do with the Bible verse. Rather it's because of the message of seeking redemption and being given a second chance by God. Samuel L Jackson takes and accepts this, John Travolta doesn't, and we see what happens to him.

Ok, that's quite valid point, however I personally see it more like a pastiche.

However, when we're talking about this SP episode, personally I see it more like making a fun of anti-smoking propagandist fanaticism, rather than actual "zomzg, smoke, smoke".

I'd rather say message is: anti-smoking fanatics are an idiots who do more harm than good for anti-smokin propaganda. And it doesn't make gloryfinfg smoking of tobacco.
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« Reply #76 on: September 04, 2010, 12:25:58 AM »

The episode was quite idiotic in how ridiculously one-sided it was (the tobacco employees singing about how such a wonderful job it was, please, that doesn't glorify tobacco?) and how insanely Anvilicious it was with the idiotic caricature of Rob Reiner and the whole "LULZ HE'S EATING UNHEALTHY FOOD WHILE CONDEMNING SMOKING, HYPOCRITE!" nonsense which was about as subtle as the typical "joke" in a Friedberg and Seltzer "film". And when have anti-tobacco people ever murdered someone just to make a point in an ad? Yeah if you have to resort to a stupid strawman you've kind of lost the argument. Oh and smoking is now banned in bars in Colorado, kind of invalidating one of the points.

The episode was incredibly retarded and I didn't laugh once.
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« Reply #77 on: September 04, 2010, 12:30:59 AM »

lol

Well I'm not surprised you'd take all that literally but...
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« Reply #78 on: September 05, 2010, 08:42:45 AM »

The episode was quite idiotic in how ridiculously one-sided it was (the tobacco employees singing about how such a wonderful job it was, please, that doesn't glorify tobacco?)

I admitt I don't rebebmer the episode well. Yet, you think such "song" was 100% serious?

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Well, wouldn't it be a hypocrisy?

Oh and smoking is now banned in bars in Colorado, kind of invalidating one of the points.

How is the Colorado ban revelant to this?
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« Reply #79 on: September 05, 2010, 12:33:51 PM »

The episode was quite idiotic in how ridiculously one-sided it was (the tobacco employees singing about how such a wonderful job it was, please, that doesn't glorify tobacco?)

I admitt I don't rebebmer the episode well. Yet, you think such "song" was 100% serious?

It clearly didn't balance out anything with a negative view on tobacco.


The problem is how Anvilicious it was. To do satire like that you have to be subtle. This was as blatant as when Friedberg and Seltzer make someone look like a character from another movie and its quite blatantly obvious and yet STILL say what character or movie they are from.

Oh and smoking is now banned in bars in Colorado, kind of invalidating one of the points.

How is the Colorado ban revelant to this?

The bit about how they tried to make Reiner look like a douche for opposing smoking in bars because "it's legal in Colorado." Not anymore.
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« Reply #80 on: September 05, 2010, 01:41:21 PM »

The episode was quite idiotic in how ridiculously one-sided it was (the tobacco employees singing about how such a wonderful job it was, please, that doesn't glorify tobacco?)

I admitt I don't rebebmer the episode well. Yet, you think such "song" was 100% serious?

It clearly didn't balance out anything with a negative view on tobacco.

Ok, we can thus agree the episode context was very unbalanced.
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« Reply #81 on: September 06, 2010, 12:10:32 AM »

Satire isn't supposed to be balanced.
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« Reply #82 on: September 06, 2010, 02:14:18 PM »

Satire isn't supposed to be balanced.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

'Balanced' Satire is an oxymoron to a fault.
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« Reply #83 on: September 06, 2010, 03:22:26 PM »

So Gully is now a pro-tobacco hack?
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« Reply #84 on: September 06, 2010, 03:28:27 PM »


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« Reply #85 on: September 06, 2010, 03:29:37 PM »

BTW it is possible to be unbalanced but not ridiculous Anvilicious (see TV Tropes.)

As noted before, South Park is usually about as subtle as Friedberg and Seltzer.
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« Reply #86 on: September 06, 2010, 03:38:04 PM »


For saying that there's no such a thing as balanced satire Huh
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« Reply #87 on: September 06, 2010, 03:38:44 PM »

For defending a pro-tobacco satire.
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« Reply #88 on: September 06, 2010, 03:48:10 PM »

Damnit, I just vacuumed and now there's straw everywhere!
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« Reply #89 on: September 06, 2010, 03:48:34 PM »

Please stop inflicting your "logic" on us, BRTD.  We've done nothing to deserve this kind of abuse.
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« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2010, 05:02:13 PM »


How long before I'll be called a "pro-tobacco industry" hack out of smoking?
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« Reply #91 on: September 06, 2010, 06:47:57 PM »

That just makes you an addicted, money-wasting, effectively suicidal fool.
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« Reply #92 on: September 08, 2010, 05:31:41 PM »
« Edited: September 09, 2010, 07:22:59 AM by The Goy's Teeth »

BTW it is possible to be unbalanced but not ridiculous Anvilicious (see TV Tropes.)

As noted before, South Park is usually about as subtle as Friedberg and Seltzer.

Subtely is an artistic strategy. Sometimes it is useful, sometimes it is not. South Park is of course extremely heavy-handed but that alone does not make it bad.
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