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« on: May 03, 2010, 09:30:54 AM »
« edited: May 04, 2010, 08:34:33 AM by Eraserhead »

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/03/pa-sen_specter_sestak_debate_highlights.html

Yeah, I'd be real excited about getting to vote for either of these guys! I'm glad I don't live in PA...
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 12:20:09 PM »

A charming couple indeed. They should get a room to work out their differences. By the way, Specter used to "win" the Senate staffers poll as the nastiest boss to work for in the Senate.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2010, 01:33:29 PM »

And by all accounts Sestak has been absolute murder to work for as well.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 01:42:27 PM »

Time to shudder and support Toomey, looks like. There seems to be a reason he has a substantial lead against both of them.
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2010, 01:57:11 PM »

Time to shudder and support Toomey, looks like. There seems to be a reason he has a substantial lead against both of them.

I think that lead will still be in major jeopardy once this filthy primary wraps up. Toomey seems like a pretty terrible person too. This is just an awful race all the way around.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2010, 04:46:49 PM »

Hmm, two new polls show Sestak catching up to Specter:

http://blogs.mcall.com/penn_ave/2010/05/with-tv-ads-up-pa-senate-race-tightening.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/harrisburg_politics/Is_the_Dem_Senate_primary_tightening.html


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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2010, 07:39:00 PM »

Time to shudder and support Toomey, looks like. There seems to be a reason he has a substantial lead against both of them.

I would give three dominant factors as to why this is the case:

1) In the heat of a primary, voters tend to over-inflate their unwillingness to vote for a primary rival.  Remember how Hillary's campaign was arguing that Obama wouldn't be able to win?

2) Toomey's been able to avoid a heated primary, and can campaign towards the center.  Remember how he said he would vote to confirm Sotomayor?  (Rubio said he wouldn't)

3) Toomey's been running a really solid, really great campaign. 
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2010, 07:42:01 PM »

Time to shudder and support Toomey, looks like. There seems to be a reason he has a substantial lead against both of them.

I would give three dominant factors as to why this is the case:

1) In the heat of a primary, voters tend to over-inflate their unwillingness to vote for a primary rival.  Remember how Hillary's campaign was arguing that Obama wouldn't be able to win?

2) Toomey's been able to avoid a heated primary, and can campaign towards the center.  Remember how he said he would vote to confirm Sotomayor?  (Rubio said he wouldn't)

3) Toomey's been running a really solid, really great campaign. 

Good points. Personally, I'm just dreading the possibility that he might be the second coming of Rick Santorum - a Republican who campaigns as a moderate to get elected, then immediately drives off to the far right afterward.

Either way, I'd find it supremely hilarious if Specter loses this primary after switching parties to avoid losing the other one.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2010, 07:48:38 PM »

Time to shudder and support Toomey, looks like. There seems to be a reason he has a substantial lead against both of them.

I would give three dominant factors as to why this is the case:

1) In the heat of a primary, voters tend to over-inflate their unwillingness to vote for a primary rival.  Remember how Hillary's campaign was arguing that Obama wouldn't be able to win?

2) Toomey's been able to avoid a heated primary, and can campaign towards the center.  Remember how he said he would vote to confirm Sotomayor?  (Rubio said he wouldn't)

3) Toomey's been running a really solid, really great campaign.  

Good points. Personally, I'm just dreading the possibility that he might be the second coming of Rick Santorum - a Republican who campaigns as a moderate to get elected, then immediately drives off to the far right afterward.

Well, Toomey won't be a surprise, he headed the Club for Growth and would be a far-right Senator very much in the old of Santorum.

And Senator Toomey is the most likely outcome as of now.

The most interesting comment I read on this forum RE: Santorum was that he was very much reflective of the waves he was in.  He was elected in 1994, the big GOP wave, reelected in 2000 with George Bush with mixed results nationally, and thrown out in the Democratic wave of 2006.

People shouldn't forget that Pennsylvania is like the second oldest state in the country after Florida.  That matters in terms of swinginess.  
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2010, 08:12:44 PM »

Ah... memories. Felipe trying to arguing that Santorum wasn't doomed was one of the best things in the history of the forum. The forum without Felipe is a little strange; I almost miss his deranged rants and paranoia.
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2010, 08:33:46 PM »

I actually watched this train wreck. Sestak has to be the biggest pompous ass I have ever seen.
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2010, 08:49:37 PM »

Ah... memories. Felipe trying to arguing that Santorum wasn't doomed was one of the best things in the history of the forum. The forum without Felipe is a little strange; I almost miss his deranged rants and paranoia.

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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2010, 09:25:30 PM »




Either way, I'd find it supremely hilarious if Specter loses this primary after switching parties to avoid losing the other one.

Not possible in PA, unless Toomey withdraws or dies.

One thing that will damage Spector is the perceived attach on the military.
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2010, 08:33:59 AM »

More new polling is out showing Specter in big trouble. Maybe primary voters haven't cared for his unnecessary attacks on Sestak's military record.


Specter leads Sestak by 8, down from 21 in Quinnipiac's last poll.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1452&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0

Specter leads Sestak by 4 in Muhlenberg, down from 9 in yesterday's poll.
http://blogs.mcall.com/penn_ave/2010/05/quinnipiac-and-muhlenberg-polls-show-sestak-closing-in.html
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2010, 08:35:34 AM »

Good to hear
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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2010, 10:45:18 AM »

Is there enough time for Sestak to pull this off or is it kinda late?
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2010, 12:29:55 PM »

Well if he's that close now we still got two more weeks.
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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2010, 12:56:18 PM »

It would be good.

I actually think Sestak would do better in the General, too.
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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2010, 12:57:42 PM »

It would be good.

I actually think Sestak would do better in the General, too.

I thought he was an Admiral?
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2010, 12:58:58 PM »

It would be good.

I actually think Sestak would do better in the General, too.

I thought he was an Admiral?

Yep. Two stars.
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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2010, 01:37:10 PM »


"Advértisement!"  "Turrible!"
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2010, 09:05:49 AM »

DSCC is now wasting money trying to save Specter. Ugh.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/05/dscc_investing.php

I'm starting to think this could end up really close.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2010, 09:03:48 PM »

DSCC is now wasting money trying to save Specter. Ugh.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/05/dscc_investing.php

I'm starting to think this could end up really close.

That was probably the deal that was made when Specter switched, and voted for HCR as part of his side of the bargain, etc.  I have this intuition that Specter is more interested in political survival than ideology. He is a very practical man.
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2010, 10:10:05 PM »

DSCC is now wasting money trying to save Specter. Ugh.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/05/dscc_investing.php

I'm starting to think this could end up really close.

That was probably the deal that was made when Specter switched, and voted for HCR as part of his side of the bargain, etc.  I have this intuition that Specter is more interested in political survival than ideology. He is a very practical man.

Nah, he was always decidedly left of center for the GOP. And as the GOP has steadily moved further and further right, it was a race between retirement and him leaving the party.
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2010, 10:12:37 PM »

DSCC is now wasting money trying to save Specter. Ugh.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/05/dscc_investing.php

I'm starting to think this could end up really close.

That was probably the deal that was made when Specter switched, and voted for HCR as part of his side of the bargain, etc.  I have this intuition that Specter is more interested in political survival than ideology. He is a very practical man.

Nah, he was always decidedly left of center for the GOP. And as the GOP has steadily moved further and further right, it was a race between retirement and him leaving the party.

Ya, that is Specter's side of the story I admit. Color me cynical. The ironic thing in any event as to timing, is that the next Senate will have more moderate GOP Senators.
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