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« on: June 07, 2010, 12:33:36 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2010, 03:14:37 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2010, 03:18:15 PM »


Interesting to see how you get dumber and dumber at each post.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2010, 03:21:42 PM »

Maybe, but I'll never be French.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2010, 03:24:38 PM »

If that makes you happy, then good for you.
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2010, 03:55:11 PM »


Obama is of partial Muslim origin, but he does not self-identify as Muslim. He self-identifies as Christian. I mean when will we have a President who will self-identify as something other than Christian (and Mormons self-identify as Christians, so they don't count)?
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2010, 03:59:36 PM »

AFAIK Thomas Jefferson didn't identify as a "Christian", so...
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2010, 04:10:43 PM »

AFAIK Thomas Jefferson didn't identify as a "Christian", so...

He self-identified as Unitarian, who are Christians.
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2010, 04:27:29 PM »

AFAIK Thomas Jefferson didn't identify as a "Christian", so...

He self-identified as Unitarian, who are Christians.

Unitarians are one of those groups that some Christians (the dumb ones who care about whether or not we have a Christian President) don't accept as true Christian like the Mormons, Catholics, Episcopalians, and... whatever group and/or reverend Obama is within 50 feet of.
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2010, 04:28:26 PM »

AFAIK Thomas Jefferson didn't identify as a "Christian", so...

He self-identified as Unitarian, who are Christians.

Unitarians who do not believe in Christ as divine or as savior do not generally claim to be Christians. I do not know that Jefferson even called himself a Unitarian, though he was a theist. William Howard Taft was officially a Unitarian.
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2010, 01:37:40 PM »

Never. The Christians aren't going anywhere and have been resilient for over 2,000 years.
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2010, 01:42:37 PM »

AFAIK Thomas Jefferson didn't identify as a "Christian", so...

He self-identified as Unitarian, who are Christians.

Unitarians who do not believe in Christ as divine or as savior do not generally claim to be Christians. I do not know that Jefferson even called himself a Unitarian, though he was a theist. William Howard Taft was officially a Unitarian.

According to Wikipedia, Unitarians are Christians. It also says that Jefferson identified himself with Unitarianism and with Deism. However, if this is a big issue for you, then the question should be rephrased "When will the U.S. have its next non-Christian President?"
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2010, 02:07:59 AM »

Lincoln?

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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2010, 12:42:30 PM »
« Edited: June 09, 2010, 12:46:50 PM by The Worst at what he does »

"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession."
-- Abraham Lincoln

Then again, he also said:

"I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man."
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2010, 02:35:20 PM »

Never, don't underestimate the Christian or Catholic Church.
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2010, 06:31:30 PM »

Never, don't underestimate the Christian or Catholic Church.

lol. That's what people said in 1850 about ever electing a black President.
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2010, 07:30:03 PM »

Never, don't underestimate the Christian or Catholic Church.

lol. That's what people said in 1850 about ever electing a black President.

Both blacks and whites are Christians in terms of majorities. You have apples and oranges there.
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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2010, 10:47:19 PM »

Never, don't underestimate the Christian or Catholic Church.

lol. That's what people said in 1850 about ever electing a black President.

Both blacks and whites are Christians in terms of majorities. You have apples and oranges there.

White people and Christians are both majorities in the U.S. right now. Someone 200 years ago would have said that we will never have a non-white President. Now we have one. Now you're saying we'll never have a non-Christian President.
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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2010, 10:29:56 PM »

Never, don't underestimate the Christian or Catholic Church.

lol. That's what people said in 1850 about ever electing a black President.

Both blacks and whites are Christians in terms of majorities. You have apples and oranges there.

White people and Christians are both majorities in the U.S. right now. Someone 200 years ago would have said that we will never have a non-white President. Now we have one. Now you're saying we'll never have a non-Christian President.

Be glad you won't be around to see it in 200 years.
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2010, 02:03:07 AM »

Never, don't underestimate the Christian or Catholic Church.

lol. That's what people said in 1850 about ever electing a black President.

Obama is half-black and half-white.  He won because he's of mixed culture.  Religion is too powerful a political force for non-Christians to win in America.
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2010, 10:36:25 AM »

That's true it is. I still doubt Obama's faith. After all he said that sometimes he gets quotes from other religions from a member of his church that help him throughout his day. What other religions might Barack Hussein Obama be speaking of?
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2010, 11:37:55 AM »

Obama went to a Christian chruch, i Know this because he had a crazy Christian minister.  It reinforced people that he was a Christian and did not attend a muslim church.  It was like reverse psychology or diverting attention from the muslim issue in a way.  I think people would be more skeptical of a muslim presidential candidate based on current circumstances.
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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2010, 11:40:13 AM »

Obama went to a Christian chruch, i Know this because he had a crazy Christian minister.  It reinforced people that he was a Christian and did not attend a muslim church.  It was like reverse psychology or diverting attention from the muslim issue in a way.  I think people would be more skeptical of a muslim presidential candidate based on current circumstances.

Yes he went to a church whose pastor was a leader in the nation of Islam and was paid to switch. Wright lives in a rich gated community where he is the only black person.
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2010, 11:59:47 AM »

What do you call "Christian?" You could say we already past that barrier with JFK. Yes, I am Catholic, but I am well aware that now, and especially then, a papist is not considered really "Christian" by plenty of others.

Americans in general, do not care of your denomination or faith specifically. They just prefer you believe in something. (Most exit polls point to this). So if the candidate is viable, then it could happen at any point. But since we are largely some form of Christian (especially our political class)  it is less likely. However an atheist we will not see for a long time. Both because there is only one or so openly atheistic politician on the Federal level, and because the majority of Americans (less then a decade ago, but still a majority) saying they would  never vote for an Atheist.

I think the problem of non-christian religions is that voters may be skeptical of allegiances to foreign countries, particularly catholics with the Pope, muslims with mid-east clerics, etc.  The great thing about the christian reformation was that it gave England independence from the Pope's power/influence, and it gives Americans independence from foreign entities.  They don't want foreign rulers pressuring an American president based on a shared religion either explicitly or implicitly.
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2010, 03:17:52 PM »

Never, don't underestimate the Christian or Catholic Church.

lol. That's what people said in 1850 about ever electing a black President.

Obama is half-black and half-white.  He won because he's of mixed culture.  Religion is too powerful a political force for non-Christians to win in America.

That might be the case now, but I'm not sure that will be the case 50 or 100 years from now. Racism was a powerful institution in American politics before the 1960s. Yet right now, we have a self-identified black President. And to be honest, I don't think Obama would have lost any votes if he was 100% black rather than half-black. I don't think many people said "I'm voting for him because he's half-black, but if he was compeltely black, then I'd vote against him."
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