Budget Process Committee

[Marokai Backbeat]

Alrighty, now what?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Sorry, what exactly are we supposed to be doing? I've had a look through my old PMs and I can't see anything clear on the subject.

[Purple State]

Sorry, what exactly are we supposed to be doing? I've had a look through my old PMs and I can't see anything clear on the subject.

Crafting some sort of budget policy for Atlasia, whether that involve a constitutional amendment or a law, whether it should be semi-specific or as broad as possible, whether it originate with the executive or the Senate, etc.

In addition to that, what I would like to see is some sort of general outline that the Senate and/or executive branch can go through and fill in the blanks and expand/contract as necessary.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Has anything been decided or debated before now? If so, I'd like it all in public, please.

[Purple State]

Has anything been decided or debated before now? If so, I'd like it all in public, please.

Only what you see in this thread as far as I'm aware, in addition to the debates on the subject that have flared up in other threads over time. This committee wasn't fully filled until I took office, as I assume Afleitch was deferring the President's selections to his successor.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Right.

First item on our agenda, then, will be to decide whether the budget should be a constitutional provision, or something created through ordinary legislation.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is there an option for it being done as ordinary legislation? Such a thing would depend upon whether the current consitution says you can't, which seems unlikely. Considering that, what would be the reasons for the budget being a constitutional provision versus the alternative?

[Badger]

Is there an option for it being done as ordinary legislation? Such a thing would depend upon whether the current consitution says you can't, which seems unlikely. Considering that, what would be the reasons for the budget being a constitutional provision versus the alternative?

What Yank said. I'm not aware of a constitutional prohibition on the Senate and President passing a budget. A constitutional measure would be unnecessary and less flexible.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

And, of course, it caused hell when it was a constitutional provision.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I certainly think making it a constitutional requirement or any constitutional provision whatsoever would be a very very bad move. That's what caused so many problems in the past. Our goal here, if I'm thinking right, is to craft a new budget process that is flexible, more simple, and not something that would cause a huge constitutional crisis and block Senate work.

There's nothing that stops the Senate from just randomly coming up with a budget whenever it feels like, so something just by ordinary legislation is perfectly appropriate and fits the goals of what we're trying to do IMO.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Bringing this matter to a vote. Aye or Nay. Then we can move onto the next item.

[Badger]

Er, which is the vote for making it a statutory provision rather than constitutional--aye or nay?

Whichever is the former, I vote for.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Aye in favour of making it a constitutional provision, nay against.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nay

[Badger]

Er, which is the vote for making it a statutory provision rather than constitutional--aye or nay?

Whichever is the former, I vote for.

In that case, nay.

May I ask, Mr. Chairman, what your reasoning is in desiring it to be a constitutional provision?

[Marokai Backbeat]

Nay, of course.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

May I ask, Mr. Chairman, what your reasoning is in desiring it to be a constitutional provision?

I do not want it to be a constitutional provision. In fact I'm probably more against that idea than anyone here. But we must do things properly.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

NAY

[California8429]

NAY

^^^

The peanut gallery is angry.

[Marokai Backbeat]

NAY

^^^

The peanut gallery is angry.

You support making the budget a constitutional requirement? That was a mess the last time it was done.

[California8429]

NAY

^^^

The peanut gallery is angry.

You support making the budget a constitutional requirement? That was a mess the last time it was done.

No I don't. I'm with Inks on this. My point was being angry over a movement TO make it a constitutional requirements sorry if that was confusing. The peanut gallery will sit down now

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

NAY

^^^

The peanut gallery is angry.

You support making the budget a constitutional requirement? That was a mess the last time it was done.

If this were real life, I'd say it should be, but considering what happened in the past, that's why I voted the way I did (and I think that probably most people who voted "NAY" agree with me).

[Badger]

OK. For the record I just typed a long e-mail with links to several on-line budget sims with suggestions on how to incorporate some aspects into an Atlasian budget process. I'd copied the post (scrolled over the text and hit cntl-c) several times for safety. Took me most of the afternoon to research, review and type. Then as I'm making one last cut and paste of a link  before finishing my final sentence and sending, I accidentally hit the backspace button twice.

With my cursor only set to paste the last website link I'd just copied.

I've been wanting to get this god damned think posted for literally weeks. WEEKS!!

I'm so f-ing pissed right now I could spit.

I'm going for a walk.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I think that that's more than enough time. The committee has decided that the budget will not become a constitutional provision.

[California8429]

OK. For the record I just typed a long e-mail with links to several on-line budget sims with suggestions on how to incorporate some aspects into an Atlasian budget process. I'd copied the post (scrolled over the text and hit cntl-c) several times for safety. Took me most of the afternoon to research, review and type. Then as I'm making one last cut and paste of a link  before finishing my final sentence and sending, I accidentally hit the backspace button twice.

With my cursor only set to paste the last website link I'd just copied.

I've been wanting to get this god damned think posted for literally weeks. WEEKS!!

I'm so f-ing pissed right now I could spit.

I'm going for a walk.