AP Poll: Plurality now supports Obamacare

[Free Palestine]

Ah, the collective stupidity of the American people.

[Free Palestine]

Ah, the collective stupidity of the American people.

Or perhaps some are realizing it's not the end of the world as was implied by the heavily critical media coverage.

Ignoring the fact that it doesn't take effect until like, 2014.

[Free Palestine]

Ah, the collective stupidity of the American people.

Or perhaps some are realizing it's not the end of the world as was implied by the heavily critical media coverage.

Ignoring the fact that it doesn't take effect until like, 2014.

There are parts taking effect this year. I'm sure anyone with kids under 25 is in favor now.

There's alot of stuff that takes effect this year. 2014 is just the bulk of the program, such as subsidies and the like.

The tyrannical forcing of Americans to buy health insurance not being one of them.

[Free Palestine]

Most Americans already buy health insurance, so it just means they get subsidized. Still a win.

Except they are doing so by their own choice, not by government coercion.

[Free Palestine]

Ah, the collective stupidity of the American people.

Indeed...Only 45% support it?  That's ridiculously low.  The American people are indeed very stupid for opposing this reform.

Only forty-five percent support tyranny?  Terrible.

[Free Palestine]

That is what tyranny looks like?  I thought it involved something more than ridiculously low fees for not purchasing something to join an insurance pool with explicit requirements that failure to pay such fees won't result in jailtime. 

Being fined for not buying health insurance sure sounds like tyranny to me.

Also, I heard that the provisions regarding abortion would make it almost impossible to get one.  Can't remember where I read that, however.

[Free Palestine]

Most Americans already buy health insurance, so it just means they get subsidized. Still a win.

Except they are doing so by their own choice, not by government coercion.

But they get subsidized for just doing something they're doing anyway. Where's the loss? Let's say the government passed a law requiring everyone to spend $x at a strip club every year but they would send you a check for that amount of money. Do you think I would be bothered by this law?

You wouldn't, but an asexual prude like me certainly would.

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On the flip-side, there are a lot of people who do voluntarily buy health insurance, who oppose this bill.

[Free Palestine]

That's not the point. The question is why would I care about the government giving me money to do something I already do?

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Maybe some people believe in liberty.

Um, that's not the case.  It's just harder for insurers who wish to receive government subsidies for any of their plans (participating in "exchanges") to also provide abortions for any of their plans.

I'm sure that most people don't think about which insurer will provide an abortion if one is needed.  That provision will certainly make a lot of people's lives suck.

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Doesn't make it any less tyrannical.

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How is free money incompatible with liberty?

That's not the issue.  It's people being forced to buy health insurance.  Forced.

Huh?  So, the only options are maximum tyranny or no tyranny?

The fact that there have been much more tyrannical regimes in the past does not make government coercion to buy something any less of an infringement on individual liberty.

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Huh?  So, the only options are maximum tyranny or no tyranny?

The fact that there have been much more tyrannical regimes in the past does not make government coercion to buy something any less of an infringement on individual liberty.

YES IT DOES.  PERSPECTIVE.

If I steal a penny from you, it's a not a great injustice.  It's "theft" in only the most minor of sense, not even notable to proclaim about.  

PERSPECTIVE is important, as is VOCABULARY which can determine the extreme of an action.  By using the most extreme of words possible, you diminish legitimate suffering and actual tyranny in the name of being absorbed in your own isolated, safe world. 

OF COURSE it isn't as bad as being shot for saying Obama is a fascist, but it is still an infringement on personal liberty.

How is free money incompatible with liberty?

That's not the issue.  It's people being forced to buy health insurance.  Forced.

But who cares if you're being forced to do something you're doing anyway? I wouldn't be bothered by the government forcing people to visit strip clubs.

So it doesn't matter to you if the government is forcing people to go to strip clubs?  Don't you give a rat's ass at all about other people's freedoms?

[Free Palestine]

If the government is subsidizing their strip club visits, what's the problem?

That's different than if people are being forced to go to strip clubs.  Durr hurr.

[Free Palestine]

My point is if people are forced to visit strip clubs but their visits are subsidized, what's the problem and who is hurt?

The people who don't want to be forced to visit strip clubs.

[Free Palestine]

My point is if people are forced to visit strip clubs but their visits are subsidized, what's the problem and who is hurt?

The people who don't want to be forced to visit strip clubs.

Well I'm not one of them.

Then you have a selfish disregard for other people's freedoms.

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My point is if people are forced to visit strip clubs but their visits are subsidized, what's the problem and who is hurt?

The people who don't want to be forced to visit strip clubs.

Well I'm not one of them.

Then you have a selfish disregard for other people's freedoms.

But you've never answered my point about me supporting the law despite currently not buying health insurance by choice.

That's because being coerced by the government to buy something doesn't bother you, as long as you're being subsidized for it.

[Free Palestine]

Mogan, did you miss my post?

No.

Your post implies that I'm calling everything I just don't like tyranny, and that the government forcing people to buy something isn't "actual tyranny."  It may not be the highest form of tyranny possible, but that doesn't make it okay.