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« Reply #275 on: February 26, 2011, 10:25:51 AM »

How's Senator Walters doing?

Also, when would the Governor's race be; 1984 or 1986?

Walters is into his second year as US Senator and is about currently penning legislation dealing with defense spending.

Governor's race is in 1984, just like the date in the entry indicates.
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« Reply #276 on: February 26, 2011, 10:31:14 AM »

How's Senator Walters doing?

Also, when would the Governor's race be; 1984 or 1986?

Walters is into his second year as US Senator and is about currently penning legislation dealing with defense spending.

Governor's race is in 1984, just like the date in the entry indicates.

I had assumed that what they were in was a Senate debate or something like that and he decided that he was going to take it all the way to the debate, then say he was going to run for something else.
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« Reply #277 on: February 26, 2011, 10:49:23 AM »

How's Senator Walters doing?

Also, when would the Governor's race be; 1984 or 1986?

Walters is into his second year as US Senator and is about currently penning legislation dealing with defense spending.

Governor's race is in 1984, just like the date in the entry indicates.

I had assumed that what they were in was a Senate debate or something like that and he decided that he was going to take it all the way to the debate, then say he was going to run for something else.

No, I purposefully made the debate seem like it was for the US Senate but in fact was for the governorship.  Max Baucus, current US Senator from Montana, is running for Governor as is Scott Westman.
I mostly did it to keep up the suspense (is it for the Presidency, Senate, House, Governor?) while Westman was running for re-election.  Before the storm I put it in there to give the air that Westman might win re-election and run for President, after the storm the reader gets into a false sense of security that it was a Senate race since Max Baucus is also running.  And then in the last entry......TADA!  IT'S THE GOVERNORSHIP!
I admit I am not the most honest of timewriters.
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« Reply #278 on: February 26, 2011, 10:57:13 AM »

Yeah, while I was reading the debate text, I was wondering why Baucus said he wanted to return home if he was running for re-election. I was thinking "you hypocrite, you're not making any sense" (to Baucus).
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« Reply #279 on: February 28, 2011, 03:25:48 AM »
« Edited: March 02, 2011, 07:13:03 PM by Mechaman »

Before Congressional Elections:
US House:

Republican: 182 Seats
Democratic: 121 Seats
Constitution:  105 Seats
Moderate Reform/Liberal: 23 Seats
Conservative: 7 Seats

Due to a number of moderate Republicans defecting to the MRL Coalition the Republican party loses a good deal of seats before the election happens.  Also some deaths in office caused Republicans to lose a few seats to Democrats in swing states (namely Massachusetts, Minnesota, and Washington).  The Constitution Party loses some seats after a few members (along with President Crane) resign from the party in protest of the Constitution Party’s bullheaded mentality in legislating.

US Senate:

Republican: 40 Seats
Democratic: 32 Seats
Constitution: 24 Seats
Moderate Reform/Liberal: 4 Seats

After Congressional Elections:

US House:

Republican: 205 Seats (+23)
Democratic: 131 Seats (+10)
Constitution: 61 Seats (-44)
Moderate Reform/Liberal: 21 Seats (-2)
Conservative: 20 (+13)

US Senate:



Race by Race Results:

Arizona: Incumbent Morris Udall (Democratic) retains seat
California: Incumbent Ricardo Montalban (Republican) retains seat
Connecticut: Incumbent Lowell Weicker (Moderate Reform) retains seat
Delaware: Incumbent William V. Roth (Republican) retains seat
Florida: Paula Hawkins (Republican) defeats incumbent Lawton Chiles (Democratic)
Hawaii: Incumbent Spark Matsunga (Democratic) retains seat
Indiana: Incumbent Richard Lugar (Republican) retains seat
Maine: Roger J. Braddock (Democratic) defeats incumbent Monteaux LeDeux (Republican)
Maryland: Incumbent Sargent Shriver (Democratic) retains seat
Massachusetts: Incumbent Daniel Lynch (Democratic) retains seat
Michigan: Incumbent Lenore Romney (Republican) retains seat
Minnesota: Peter F. Federov (Democratic Farmer Labor) defeats incumbent David Durenberger
Mississippi: Incumbent John C. Stennis (Dixiecratic) retains seat
Missouri: Adrian Moore (Democratic) defeats incumbent John Danforth (Republican)
Montana: David Walters (Conservative) defeats incumbent Scott Westman (Democratic)
Nebraska: Virginia Smith (Republican) retains seat
Nevada: Mike O'Callaghan (Democratic) retains seat
New Hampshire special election: Thaddeus Michaels (Republican) retains seat**
New Jersey: Augustus J. Donnelly (Democratic) defeats James Pherson (Republican)*
New Mexico: Incumbent Raul Ramirez (Democratic) retains seat
New York: Incumbent Daniel P. Moynihan (Democratic) retains seat
North Dakota: Incumbent Robert J. Stroup (Republican) retains seat
Ohio: Incumbent Robert Taft Jr. (Republican) retains seat
Pennsylvania: Incumbent H. John Heinz III (Republican) retains seat
Rhode Island: Incumbent John Chafee (Republican) retains seat
Tennessee: John Duncan, Sr. (Republican) defeats incumbent Bill Boner (Democratic)
Texas: Ronald E. Paul (Republican) defeats Charles W. Stenholm (Democratic)*
Utah: Orin Hatch (Republican) retains seat
Vermont: Major Derrick (Democratic) defeats incumbent Robert Stafford (Moderate Reform)
Virginia: John Warner (Republican) defeats incumbent Charles C. Gooding (Democratic)**
Washington: Allan B. Swift (Democratic) retains seat
West Virginia: Robert Byrd (Democratic) retains seat
Wisconsin: Tommy Thompson (Republican) defeats incumbent William Proxmire (Democratic)
Wyoming: Incumbent Alan K. Simpson (Republican) retains seat
*incumbent retired
**incumbent died/resigned/declined to run for re-election.

Republican: 41 Seats (+1 net gain)
Democratic: 31 Seats (-1 net loss)
Constitution: 24 seats (0 net gain/loss)
Moderate Reform: 3 seats (-1 net loss)
Conservative: 1 seat (+1 net gain)

Unlike the US House results that saw strong results for Democrats and Republicans the Senate would show weak net results for both major parties as the Constitution Party only had one seat up for re-election out of the class 1 seats.  Democrats would actually lose one net seat in the US Senate, a rare event in 1st midterm elections.  Democrats, despite being barely above 30 seats in the US Senate felt confident that 1984 would be their year to regain the losses of the past two Congresses.
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« Reply #280 on: February 28, 2011, 04:24:20 AM »
« Edited: February 28, 2011, 12:14:39 PM by Mechaman »

US Senate:

US Senate as of January 3rd, 1983:

Alabama:
Class 2: Howell T. Heflin (Constitution)
Class 3: Jeremiah Denton (Constitution)

Alaska:
Class 2: Theodore Stevens (Republican)
Class 3: Walter Hickel (Constitution)
Arizona:
Class 1: Morris Udall (Democratic)
Class 3: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
Arkansas:
Class 2: William J. Clinton (Democratic)
Class 3: William Clark (Constitution)
California:
Class 1: Ricardo Montalban(Republican)
Class 3: Michael V. Hawk (Republican)

Colorado:
Class 2: Carlos Mendez(Republican)
Class 3: Mary E. Buchanan (Republican)

Connecticut:
Class 1: Lowell P. Weicker (Moderate Reform)
Class 3: Christopher J. Dodd (Democratic)
Delaware:
Class 1: William V. Roth (Republican)
Class 2: Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (Democratic)
Florida:
Class 1: Paula Hawkins (Republican)
Class 3: Roy Holland (Constitution)
Georgia:
Class 2: Fletcher Thompson (Constitution)
Class 3: Mack Mattingly (Constitution)

Hawaii:
Class 1: Spark M. Matsunga (Democratic)
Class 3: Don Djou (Republican)
Idaho:
Class 2: James A. McClure (Republican)
Class 3: Steve Symms (Constitution)
Illinois:
Class 2: Farley H. Murray (Democratic)
Class 3: Daniel Crane (Republican)
Indiana:
Class 1: Richard Lugar (Republican)
Class 3: Collins McCarn (Constitution)
Iowa:
Class 2: John Kyl (Republican)
Class 3: Mark Gladden (Constitution)
Kansas:
Class 2: Robert J. Dole (Republican)
Class 3: Larry Winn (Constitution)
Kentucky:
Class 2: Walter Huddleston (Constitution)
Class 3: Gene Snyder (Constitution)

Louisiana:
Class 2: Moon Landrieu (Democratic)
Class 3: Joe D. Waggonner (Constitution)
Maine:
Class 1: Roger J. Braddock (Democratic
Class 2: William Cohen (Republican)
Maryland:
Class 1: Sargent Shriver (Democratic)
Class 3: Charles Matthias (Republican)
Massachusetts:
Class 1: Daniel M. Lynch(Democratic)
Class 2: William Saltonstall (Republican)
Michigan:
Class 1: Lenore Romney (Republican)
Class 2: Henry Claymore (Democratic)
Minnesota:
Class 1: Peter F. Federov (DFL)
Class 2: Walter Mondale (DFL)

Mississippi:
Class 1: John C. Stennis (Dixiecrat)
Class 2: James O. Eastland (Dixiecrat)

Missouri:
Class 1: Adrian Moore (Democratic)
Class 3: Thomas Eagleton (Democratic)

Montana:
Class 1: David Walters (Conservative)
Class 2: Max Baucus (Democratic)
Nebraska:
Class 1: Virginia Smith (Republican)
Class 2: Paul Mercanti (Republican)
Nevada:
Class 1: Mike O'Callaghan (Democratic)
Class 3: Paul Laxalt (Republican)
New Hampshire:
Class 2: Thaddeus Michaels (Republican)
Class 3: Warren Rudman (Republican)

New Jersey:
Class 1: Augustus J. Donnelly (Democratic)
Class 2: Bill Bradley (Democratic)

New Mexico:
Class 1: Raul Ramirez (Democratic)
Class 2: Harrison Schmitt (Republican)
New York:
Class 1: Daniel P. Moynihan (Democratic)
Class 3: David P. Killian (Democratic)

North Carolina:
Class 2: Bradley Moore (Constitution)
Class 3: John P. East (Constitution)

North Dakota:
Class 1: Robert Stroup (Republican)
Class 3: Anthony Williams (Constitution)
Ohio:
Class 1: Robert Taft Jr. (Republican)
Class 3: John Glenn (Democratic)
Oklahoma:
Class 2: James Robert Jones (Democratic)
Class 3: Don Nickles (Constitution)
Oregon:
Class 2: Mark Hatfield (Republican)
Class 3: Robert Packwood (Republican)

Pennsylvania:
Class 1: H. John Heinz III (Republican)
Class 3: Lawrence Watson (Democratic)
Rhode Island:
Class 1: John Chafee (Moderate Reform)
Class 2: Ruth M. Briggs (Republican)
South Carolina:
Class 2: Strom Thurmond (Constitution)
Class 3: Charlie Rhodes (Constitution)

South Dakota:
Class 2: Larry Pressler (Republican)
Class 3: Sean O'Brien (Constitution)
Tennessee:
Class 1: John Duncan, Sr. (Republican)
Class 2: Howard Baker (Republican)

Texas:
Class 1: Ronald E. Paul (Republican)
Class 2: James Wright (Democratic)
Utah:
Class 1: Orrin Hatch (Republican)
Class 3: Quentin Maxwell (Constitution)
Vermont:
Class 1: Major Derrick (Democratic)
Class 3: Richard W. Mallary (Moderate Reform)
Virginia:
Class 1: John Warner (Republican)
Class 2: Tobin MacMahon (Democratic)
Washington:
Class 1: Allan B. Swift (Democratic)
Class 3: Harry Callahan (Republican)
West Virginia:
Class 1: Robert Byrd (Democratic)
Class 2: Alan Mollohan (Democratic)
Wisconsin:
Class 1: Tommy Thompson (Republican)
Class 3: William R. Goodman (Republican)

Wyoming:
Class 1: Alan K. Simpson (Republican)
Class 2: Beauregard D'Israeli (Republican)
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« Reply #281 on: February 28, 2011, 02:51:07 PM »
« Edited: March 01, 2011, 02:00:06 PM by Mechaman »

December 9th, 1982
US Senate Building
3:12 PM:


Lawrence Watson is in the foyer when the doors open and out of nowhere appears......Scott Westman?  He points at Westman.
Watson: Dude you're in a lot of sh*t.  You know how pissed Tobin is that you skipped like three months worth of Senate work campaigning and then whatever happened after the election?
Westman: Sorry, had to work on my tan......are they in session?
Watson: Yes, why?
Westman pulls out a piece of paper and shows it Watson.
Watson: Jesus man, you can't just do this now you haven't even talked to Walters since before the election!
Westman: Well then he better get his ass over now.
Westman walks away from Watson and heads towards the Senate chambers.  He pushes open the doors into a session of the US Senate.  The Senate Majority Leader Mark Hatfield stops mid sentence as Westman approaches the bench.
Hatfield: It's about damn time you showed up Senator.
Westman: Mark I hope you don't mind but there is something I must do.
Westman takes the stage.
Westman: It's been great guys but I think that due to recent events I must take an early retirement.
Chaos erupts in the Senate.

Two Hours Later:
On the phone:

Walters:
What the hell Scott?  I'm not ready to go over there yet!?
Westman: Well you better get off your ass then and pack, it's a long drive.

December 10th, 1982
Scott Westman's office
1:20PM:


Scott Westman and his assistant Maria Cantwell are packing up his office as he prepares to leave the US Capitol.
Cantwell: That was perfectly smooth of you.
Westman: Ha what?
Cantwell: Announcing your retirement with just a month left of your term after being gone from DC for like half a year.
Westman: Yeah well, sorry for the bum ride kid.  I know you were expecting something more from this experience.  Sorry I didn't live up to your expectations about active office life.  I guess the life of national politics is too much for me.
Maria reaches out to Westman, and grabs his hand.
Cantwell: Well but Scott..................I'm not disappointed in fact I'm glad.  Glad I got to know the real you.  It's just I I I just........
Westman puts a finger to her lips to hush her.
Westman: Believe me babe it wouldn't work.  It's better this way.
Maria leans forward into Westman's shoulder as he embraces her.
Westman lifts his hand in the air.
Westman: Hi-five?
Maria lifts her hand as well.
Cantwell: Hi-five.
The two hi-five each other before taking Westman's stuff to his van.

A chapter in the life of Scott Westman had come to a close.
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« Reply #282 on: March 01, 2011, 10:09:35 AM »

January 5th, 1983
US Senate:


Farley H. Murray (D-IL)Sad With all of the votes in for the new Senate Minority leader the results are:

Morris K. Udall: 1
Udall: Thanks Larry.
Watson: Come on you're like the best ever I had to put you in the running.
Murray: Moon Landrieu: 2
Tobin MacMahon: 28.  Fellow Democrats, your new Senate Leader Tobin MacMahon!!!!
The Democratic assembly gets on its feet as Tobin takes the podium.  On his assumption of the role of Senate Leader he would become the first foreign born US Senate Leader in US History.
MacMahon: It is my honor to accept this post as the leader of the Democratic contingent of the US Senate.
The Senate chamber gets quiet.
MacMahon: Thirty years ago, being a theatre trained kid in Tralee, Republic of Ireland, I would never have foreseen that today on this date I would accept this duty of US Senate Minority Leader.  Know that though I be foreign born I accept this position not as an Irishman, but as a proud American Senator.  When I was a kid I had always dreamed of this land, heard of all the promises of it from other Irishmen who had come back promising a land of wealth and fortune.  Well, after my successes in the hotel resort company I can say that what they promised was quite true.
Senate chamber applauds.
MacMahon: With all of that sentimentalism out of the way I believe it is time for us to get down to business.  As we speak there are still millions of Americans on welfare rolls what is needed now more than ever is serious reform.  Bobby Kennedy got the ball rolling with his 1969 Reformed Act, but after the recent economic panic we have got over it is important that we have a system that encourages people seeking jobs and not living off the government.  We also need to, now more than ever in this ever globalized world, encourage the way for open trade with every nation.  It was the blind protectionist ideology (boos from Constitution Party members) that helped cause the worst economic panic of the 20th century and by god I don't intend on returning anywhere close it in the 21st century.  Free trade is the way of the future, whether you like it or not.  Also, I may not like it but it is true that there is waste and fraud in our healthcare system, reform is necessary!  I reject those who call for a repeal of the public healthcare system, a system that has since provided healthcare to millions of Americans who otherwise couldn't afford it.  We need reform to make the system more streamlined and efficient to speed up the rolls.  We don't want people waiting 4 weeks for open heart surgery.  A reduction in military spending, which has hogged a great deal of the budget even after the end of the Soviet Union, is also necessary if we are ever to hope in balancing the national budget.  It may be painful for the hawks to hear but the US doesn't face as great of a threat as it did ten years ago.  I hope that I have the cooperation of Republican, Moderate Reform, and Constitution Party members in helping get some of these goals passed.  Thank you.
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« Reply #283 on: March 01, 2011, 01:57:09 PM »

UPDATE: I modified some of the entries (specifically the ones where Westman is watching the primary results on tv) in light of an overall change in the story.  In hindsight the previous story would've worked out as planned and would've been a bit to ehh......soap opera for this story.  So I modified the entries into a motivation speech by Carl.  I hope nobody minds.

Also, due to the story change Scott Westman is still dating Caroline Kennedy.
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« Reply #284 on: March 01, 2011, 10:37:37 PM »

Han Phan's Journal entry
December 10, 1982:


So yesterday Scott Westman retired from the United States Senate.  No surprise, given that he already lost the election and his stepping down early would give his successor the advantage in seniority over the rest of the Senate freshmen.  I honestly don't know what to think about this, whether I should feel glad that the third party Montana Conservative Party won a US Senate Seat or bad that the Senate lost one of it's more independent members?  While Scott Westman is a very liberal Democrat I always found him to be an oddly agreeable man on a number of issues and his dedication of service to the people of his state.  Tis a shame his tenure in office was cut short because of a blizzard.  Let us hope that someone else in the Senate has the testicular fortitude to continue Westman's support of drug legalization.
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« Reply #285 on: March 02, 2011, 12:54:23 AM »
« Edited: March 02, 2011, 12:57:25 AM by Mechaman »

Speakers of the House since 1949:

49. Joseph W. Martin (Republican-Massachusetts): January 3rd, 1947-January 3rd, 1951
50. Samuel Rayburn (Democratic-Texas) January 3rd, 1951-January 3rd, 1955
51. John W. McCormack (Democratic-Massachusetts) January 3rd, 1955-January 3rd, 1961

52. Joseph P. MacBeth (Republican-Pennsylvania) January 3rd, 1961-January 28th, 1962*
53. James Crowley (Republican-Kentucky) January 28th, 1962-November 19th, 1962*
54. Richard M. Nixon (Republican-California) November 19th, 1962-April 2nd, 1968*
55. Gerald R. Ford (Republican-Michigan) April 2nd, 1968-January 3rd, 1969

56. Jonathan L.T. Debs (Democratic-California) January 3rd, 1969-January 3rd, 1975
57. Gerald R. Ford (Republican-Michigan) January 3rd, 1975-January 3rd, 1977
58. Jonathan L.T. Debs (Democratic-California) January 3rd, 1975-January 3rd, 1977
59. Gerald R. Ford (Republican-Michigan) January 3rd, 1979-Present

*Notes:
52. Joseph P. MacBeth dies from complications brought on by lung disease.
53. James Crowley resigns from the Speakership after revelations about unsavory financial dealings come to light.
54. Richard M. Nixon, who is often called "the most shrewd and crooked Speaker in the history of the US House" gets indicted on charges of wiretapping the phones of political opponents in April of 1968.  Gerald R. Ford, the US House Majority Leader, would take over as Speaker of the House.  The weight of Nixon's indictment would be felt on the Congressional level as the Democratic Party under the leadership of Jonathan L.T. Debs of California.
Jonathan L.T. Debs: Born May 29th, 1921 in Sacramento, California.  Joined the US congress representing parts of Sacramento and the surrounding suburbs in 1953 at the age of 32.  At the young age of 47 he would become Speaker of the House.  Under his leadership the House would help pass the Universal Healthcare Act which would establish the US Public Healthcare System.  He is currently the US Minority Leader.
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« Reply #286 on: March 02, 2011, 01:06:23 AM »

Why did Stafford lose re-election? Sad
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« Reply #287 on: March 02, 2011, 01:42:41 AM »


Because he is a liberal RINO douche and the Mechagod despises RINO douches.
Just kidding.

Stafford lost re-election because while he ran as a Moderate Reform candidate the Republicans decided to run their own candidate and they ended up splitting the usually heavy Republican vote.  As a result the moderate Democrat Major Derrick (who is less left wing than Stafford on some issues) manages to squeeze an upset victory.

ftr, in this timeline Vermont hasn't elected a Democrat as Senator since before the Civil War.
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« Reply #288 on: March 02, 2011, 06:14:16 PM »

January 18th, 1983
Flathead Lake, Montana
Westman Estate
9:25 AM:


Scott Westman is cooking some over easy eggs when Carl Herschelwitz comes down the stairs yawning.
Westman: Good morning egghead.
Carl flips him off.
Westman: Looks like somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
Carl walks over to the stove where Westman is cooking before speaking up.
Herschelwitz: Over easy huh?
Westman: That's right, just like how I like my women.
They both laugh.
Herschelwitz: So Scott, what's the plan?
Westman turns around and faces him.
Westman: What plan?
Herschelwitz puts his hand to his head thinking how to respond.
Herschelwitz: Y'know for the next two years?  Like how are we going to approach the election?
Westman: Well I haven't really thought about that yet Carl.
Herschelwitz: Really?  You haven't?
Westman: Carl if I run for office next year I'm going to have to primary Max Baucus.  And you'd have to take me for a fool to run for US House District One.  So as of the moment yeah I think I'll take things slow and easy.
Herschelwitz: That is the way wrong attitude to have and you know it.  If you don't get back on the ground running as soon as possible than your chances of doing so later will gradually diminish.  You have to get your name back out there man otherwise you're liable to be discarded to the political graveyard to be known as that one Senator who dated Caroline Kennedy.  By the way how is she?
Westman groggily faces Carl.
Westman: Oh she's doing great.  We've been steady for over a year and half now but I don't see it going anywhere to be honest Carl.
Herschelwitz: Well, don't you have feelings for her?
Westman: Yes I do Carl, strong feelings.  In fact I think it would be safe that I love her.
Herschelwitz: Wow, really?  I didn't think you thought about her that way.  The impression I got from you was that this was likely a limited thing that wouldn't last more months.  If you love her, why do you think it won't work man?
Westman: It's just the thought of being married again.....it's just scary.  And we're both from prominent families.  I don't want to feel like the world of politics forced us into having feelings for each other.  And I just don't think I would get along with her family.
Herschelwitz: It's not just that is it?  There is someone else you've been thinking about?  Marci perhaps?
Westman: Yes, I know it's been years since I last saw her and I wouldn't blame her if she never wanted to have anything to do with me but I just can't fight this feeling that there is something that is meant to be between us.
Herschelwitz: Well what about Laura?
Westman chuckles.
Westman: You know I used to think I loved Laura, but now I realize it was just hormones talking.  Whatever came of that relationship it was just fortunate to have given me a boy.
Herschelwitz: When was the last time you saw Patrick?
Westman: Oh last July.  He's grown to be a big boy that Patrick.  Very smart too.  If he picks up after his old man he might a future in politics.
Herschelwitz: Good man.  When the hell do you think we'll be able to get out of this mess?
Carl waves his hand outside to the vast amount of snow covering Lake Flathead.
Westman: Maybe by June?  Sh*t if I know.  Point is Carl that I enjoy retirement.  I enjoy everyday being able to spend with my daughter and sister without the pressures of the Senate alright.  They are the most important parts of my life and I don't want to abandon that.
Herschelwitz: Suit yourself, but you won't be able to get the same thing from those women that you can get from say Caroline Kennedy.
Westman: Oh yeah real mature of you Carl.
Herschelwitz: A career.
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« Reply #289 on: March 02, 2011, 06:38:27 PM »

June 17th, 1983
CBS News, Missoula Affiliate:


In other news early speculation of the possible contenders to incumbent Republican Governor Richard L. Peters has arisen.  The primary season is months away but already quite a few names have been mentioned.  US Representative John Patrick Williams and State Senate Minority Leader James Mansfield (the son of former US Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield) have been mentioned as likely candidates.  At an event hosted by former Senator Scott Westman last Saturday Mansfield entertained the possibility, though there have been rumors that former Senator Westman and his staff have been in talks with Mansfield's office for the past week.  Could Scott Westman, who just lost a US Senate race last November be preparing a move on the state level?

July 9th, 1983
Missoula, Montana:


Scott Westman is at an event with the Associated Press when he makes an announcement to the crowd:
Fellow Montanans, in light of recent events that have come to my attention today I have an announcement pertaining to the future of this state.  As of 3:30 PM today I am running for the nomination of Governor of Montana on the Democratic ticket.  Thank you.
Crowd erupts.

Scott Westman's announcement would catch many Democrats off guard who were expecting him to wait until 1988 to regain his Senate seat or challenge Max Baucus for the seat in 1984.  As a result few Democrats would show interest in running in the primaries due to the popularity of Westman amongst Montana Democrats.
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« Reply #290 on: March 02, 2011, 07:58:16 PM »

December 11th, 1983:

The United States Senate passes the "Death Penalty Bill" bringing back federal death penalties after 12 years of being abolished (on August 12th, 1971 by the Democratic controlled Congress).

The Vote:

Alabama:
Class 2: Howell T. Heflin (Constitution) Yea
Class 3: Jeremiah Denton (Constitution) Yea

Alaska:
Class 2: Theodore Stevens (Republican) Yea
Class 3: Walter Hickel (Constitution) Yea
Arizona:
Class 1: Morris Udall (Democratic) Nay
Class 3: Barry Goldwater (Republican) Yea
Arkansas:
Class 2: William J. Clinton (Democratic) Yea
Class 3: William Clark (Constitution) Yea
California:
Class 1: Ricardo Montalban(Republican) Nay
Class 3: Michael V. Hawk (Republican) Yea

Colorado:
Class 2: Carlos Mendez(Republican) Yea
Class 3: Mary E. Buchanan (Republican) Yea

Connecticut:
Class 1: Lowell P. Weicker (Moderate Reform) Nay
Class 3: Christopher J. Dodd (Democratic) Yea
Delaware:
Class 1: William V. Roth (Republican) Yea
Class 2: Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (Democratic) Yea
Florida:
Class 1: Paula Hawkins (Republican) Yea
Class 3: Roy Holland (Constitution) Yea
Georgia:
Class 2: Fletcher Thompson (Constitution) Yea
Class 3: Mack Mattingly (Constitution) Yea

Hawaii:
Class 1: Spark M. Matsunga (Democratic) Nay
Class 3: Don Djou (Republican) Nay
Idaho:
Class 2: James A. McClure (Republican) Yea
Class 3: Steve Symms (Constitution) Yea
Illinois:
Class 2: Farley H. Murray (Democratic) Nay
Class 3: Daniel Crane (Republican) Yea
Indiana:
Class 1: Richard Lugar (Republican) Yea
Class 3: Collins McCarn (Constitution) Yea
Iowa:
Class 2: John Kyl (Republican) Yea
Class 3: Mark Gladden (Constitution) Yea
Kansas:
Class 2: Robert J. Dole (Republican) Nay
Class 3: Larry Winn (Constitution) Yea
Kentucky:
Class 2: Walter Huddleston (Constitution) Yea
Class 3: Gene Snyder (Constitution) Yea

Louisiana:
Class 2: Moon Landrieu (Democratic) Yea
Class 3: Joe D. Waggonner (Constitution) Yea
Maine:
Class 1: Roger J. Braddock (Democratic) Nay
Class 2: William Cohen (Republican) Yea
Maryland:
Class 1: Sargent Shriver (Democratic) Nay
Class 3: Charles Matthias (Republican) Yea
Massachusetts:
Class 1: Daniel M. Lynch(Democratic) Nay
Class 2: William Saltonstall (Republican) Yea
Michigan:
Class 1: Lenore Romney (Republican) Yea
Class 2: Henry Claymore (Democratic) Nay
Minnesota:
Class 1: Peter F. Federov (DFL) Nay
Class 2: Walter Mondale (DFL) Nay

Mississippi:
Class 1: John C. Stennis (Dixiecrat) Yea
Class 2: James O. Eastland (Dixiecrat) Yea

Missouri:
Class 1: Adrian Moore (Democratic) Nay
Class 3: Thomas Eagleton (Democratic) Nay

Montana:
Class 1: David Walters (Conservative) Yea
Class 2: Max Baucus (Democratic) Nay
Nebraska:
Class 1: Virginia Smith (Republican) Yea
Class 2: Paul Mercanti (Republican) Yea
Nevada:
Class 1: Mike O'Callaghan (Democratic) Nay
Class 3: Paul Laxalt (Republican) Yea
New Hampshire:
Class 2: Thaddeus Michaels (Republican) Nay
Class 3: Warren Rudman (Republican) Nay

New Jersey:
Class 1: Augustus J. Donnelly (Democratic) Nay
Class 2: Bill Bradley (Democratic) Nay

New Mexico:
Class 1: Raul Ramirez (Democratic) Nay
Class 2: Harrison Schmitt (Republican) Nay
New York:
Class 1: Daniel P. Moynihan (Democratic) Nay
Class 3: David P. Killian (Democratic) Nay

North Carolina:
Class 2: Bradley Moore (Constitution) Yea
Class 3: John P. East (Constitution) Yea

North Dakota:
Class 1: Robert Stroup (Republican) Yea
Class 3: Anthony Williams (Constitution) Yea
Ohio:
Class 1: Robert Taft Jr. (Republican) Nay
Class 3: John Glenn (Democratic) Nay
Oklahoma:
Class 2: James Robert Jones (Democratic) Yea
Class 3: Don Nickles (Constitution) Yea
Oregon:
Class 2: Mark Hatfield (Republican) Nay
Class 3: Robert Packwood (Republican) Yea

Pennsylvania:
Class 1: H. John Heinz III (Republican) Yea
Class 3: Lawrence Watson (Democratic) Nay
Rhode Island:
Class 1: John Chafee (Moderate Reform) Nay
Class 2: Ruth M. Briggs (Republican) Yea
South Carolina:
Class 2: Strom Thurmond (Constitution) Yea
Class 3: Charlie Rhodes (Constitution) Yea

South Dakota:
Class 2: Larry Pressler (Republican) Yea
Class 3: Sean O'Brien (Constitution) Yea
Tennessee:
Class 1: John Duncan, Sr. (Republican) Yea
Class 2: Howard Baker (Republican) Yea

Texas:
Class 1: Ronald E. Paul (Republican) Nay
Class 2: James Wright (Democratic) Nay
Utah:
Class 1: Orrin Hatch (Republican) Yea
Class 3: Quentin Maxwell (Constitution) Yea
Vermont:
Class 1: Major Derrick (Democratic) Nay
Class 3: Richard W. Mallary (Moderate Reform) Nay
Virginia:
Class 1: John Warner (Republican) Yea
Class 2: Tobin MacMahon (Democratic) Nay
Washington:
Class 1: Allan B. Swift (Democratic) Nay
Class 3: Harry Callahan (Republican) Nay
West Virginia:
Class 1: Robert Byrd (Democratic) Nay
Class 2: Alan Mollohan (Democratic) Nay
Wisconsin:
Class 1: Tommy Thompson (Republican) Yea
Class 3: William R. Goodman (Republican) Yea

Wyoming:
Class 1: Alan K. Simpson (Republican) Yea
Class 2: Beauregard D'Israeli (Republican) Yea



The Vote (3/5ths needed)

For:
31 Republican
24 Constitution
5 Democrats
1 Conservative
61 votes.

Against:
26 Democratic
10 Republican
3 Moderate Reform
39 votes

A few days later the House would pass the Senate version of the bill.  Here is the breakdown by party:
(55% rule)

For:
136 Republicans
61 Constitution
27 Democrats
17 Conservatives
8 Moderate Reform
249 votes (56.85%)

Against:
104 Democrats
69 Republicans
13 Moderate Reform
3 Conservatives
189 Votes

The results would be praised by Senator Beauregard D'Israeli, the author of the bill, as indicative that "it is time we did something to these wretches of society."  Tobin MacMahon, the Democratic Minority leader and a believer in the Consistent Life Ethic, would call D'Israeli's comments "the most disgraceful comments that I have ever heard from a US public official, and that includes things said by Jesse Helms."  MacMahon would also say that he would do everything in his power to insure that someday he and his "fellow supporters of life no matter what" would "overturn this monstrosity".
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« Reply #291 on: March 02, 2011, 08:18:56 PM »

October 7th, 1983
Laramie, Wyoming:


Wyoming US Senator Beauregard D'Israeli gazes out at the crowd of a few hundred people before beginning his speech:

For far too long the Republican Party has given into reactionary vandals who seek to push the nation back to the era of Victorian values.  I will not put up with this any longer.  Therefore, in opposition to the Republican sellout to Crane Conservatism I will run once more for the Presidency of the United States of America and take what should've been mine in 1980 before the reactionaries and the statist "moderates" split and ultimately destroyed the purity of this party.  No more I say!  No more!  It was supposed to have been mine!  MINE!!!! MINE!!!!!  But the evil theocracy of this nation can't face the facts, the facts that this nation is prepared to mature beyond the backwards moralistic tyrannical message of reactionarianism!  The people want change, they want freedom!  That is why I am running once again!

The reaction to D'Israeli's announcement for another run was mixed and ranged anywhere from the ambivalent:

Scott Westman (D-MT), running for Governor in 1984: Beauregard running.....again?  Huh.....
Lawrence Watson (D-PA), junior US Senator: Who cares?  The man is clearly off his rocker.

to the cautious:

Thad O'Connor (R-ME), Maine Congressman: I am kind of concerned about Beau.  He seems to have been a little erratic in that rally and I don't like his chances.  He is scaring the people out of voting for him when he talks like that.

to the blatantly critical:

Barry Goldwater (R-AZ), Senior US Senator: He's a damned fruitcake!  I'm frankly still shocked speechless he won over 200 electoral votes last election!  This time he'll be lucky to win the votes of Alaska or even his homestate.  This nation has little need for men like D'Israeli, and for good reason.
Robert Dole (R-KS), Senior US Senator: I'll go along with what Senator Goldwater said.  There is no one in the US Senate who is in more desperate need of a CAT scan than the Senator from Wyoming.
Robert Taft, Jr. (R-OH), Senior US Senator: The man is clearly deranged and his pro-murder stances are abominable.  A President D'Israeli would be a disaster for this nation, he would probably declare war on the South within three minutes of taking office.  A man like that is dangerous to the health and security of the United States.
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« Reply #292 on: March 02, 2011, 08:34:19 PM »

December 18th, 1983
CBS News Interview with Scott Westman:

Rather:
So Mister Westman, after your failed attempt at re-election to the US Senate what motivated you to run for the governorship?
Westman chuckles.
Westman: Well it all began on November 16th Dan.
Rather has a surprised look on his face.
Westman: You know what I saw that day?  Montanans uniting together to fight the very worst elements of hell, no matter how horrible it was.  Montanans, together, side by side fighting fighting back and giving hell to the worst storm in Montana history.  I figured "what the hell am I doing thousands of miles away thinking I can best represent Montanan interests when I can best do it in my own state?"  These people, the people of Montana, motivated me to seek this office.  And in hindsight I view the job of governorship, of directly impacting the lives of the hundreds of thousands of people of this state, a greater role than that of my tenure in the US Senate.
Rather: Hmm interesting.  Are you saying your tenure in the Senate was pointless?
Westman: Not at all Dan, in fact I am proud of the legislation that I passed that bettered the lives of millions of Americans.  However, it was recently that I realized that as much as I had a duty to the people of the nation I had a bigger loyalty and duty to the people of my state who I had often neglected.

Two Days Later:
Baucus:
It is my intent to announce today that I intend to seek the nomination of Governor for the Democratic Party.  It will be an honor to serve the state directly for four years.
Westman: Bastard!
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« Reply #293 on: March 02, 2011, 10:26:53 PM »

Warning: Emotional entry over Civil Rights

Through Irish Eyes
An Autobiography by William Westman
Publish Date: March 18th, 1957:


Excerpt from pg. 312-315:

"I will admit that in my past I have held certain bias against the White Anglo Saxon Protestant.  Due to the environment and setting I was raised in I grew this suspicion and distrust of Anglo Protestant Americans.  To me these people were the devil spawn of the world: they were the people who oppressed my ancestors under hundreds years of serfdom and then when I grew up as a young man in New York City then began to represent the New World Oppressors of the minority immigrant classes seeking a better life for themselves.  Out of my inherent negative views of the Anglo man I began to associate the causes of the Republican Party, the Party of the White Anglo Saxon Protestant, as inherently evil and bigoted in every way.  The protective tariff in my view went from being an illogical approach to funding government to a hidden anti-foreign agenda propelled by a hateful elite of English men, now American, to oppress those who escaped their oppression in the Old World.  Prohibition went from being a misguided attempt at social control to a tyrannical supremacist agenda on behalf of the Anglo Protestant male to force the rest of American society to his will.  Immigration quotas were always to me bigoted, a means to an end of ensuring that American society has little more interaction with the mongrel non-WASP races who have brought so much to this nation.  It was my inherent distrust and yes even hatred of the English Protestant race that influenced many of my statements and judgements against the Republican Party's policies.  In hindsight I have misjudged the Republican Party as a whole, with my own blind prejudice I labeled the members of a political party the worst of conceivable insults and worst of conspiratorial atrocities.  In this time of great resentment towards the Grand Old Party I had neglected the own moral failings of my own party, namely the existence of segregation and Jim Crow in the South.  For this I am humbly sorry and I just wish I had not been blinded by my own biases so that I could've noticed this earlier and began the fight for equal rights for the black man and woman sooner.
It wasn't until I finally realized, after meeting my beloved Anne, an angel who has within her the blood of the Anglo Protestants that oppressed my ancestors, yet so sweet and innocent in her eyes, in her smile I found all of my previous hatred gone and instead there was love.  Love not just for the people who have suffered great oppression but for those who have been the oppressor.  To hold a grudge is human, to forgive and love instead of remember and hate is the mark of Christ.  This I knew once I, through tear filled eyes, kissed my lovely Anglo bride.  Our children, the descendants of Irish Catholic and Anglo Protestant America, side by side, walking hand in hand, are part of the evidence that it is the forgiving hearts, the hearts that are willing to look past injustice and only seek understanding and redemption, are the ones that will lead this nation to Civil Equality.  Last year when the Civil Rights Act of 1956, the Act that once and for all made illegal the subhuman treatment of my African American brothers and sisters, is evidence of this.  William Martin (a black Civil Rights activist from South Carolina) didn't ask for revenge for hundreds of years of slavery and being treated like animals, he asked that Americans, whether black, white, yellow, brown, or even damn purple, be made equal before the eyes of the law as they are before the laws of God.  There was no demand for the southern white to pay for his crimes, instead William Martin offered a message of forgiveness to the white man, that as long as the white man would accept the black man as an equal in his place of business the black man would forgive the white man of his previous transgressions.
It is of this, and other recent events, that I am convinced that the future of the America is in the hands of the truly most just among us."
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« Reply #294 on: March 02, 2011, 11:26:33 PM »

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Thad is the type to try and put on the best front in public regardless of his true feelings, so... you hit the nail on the head with that one, haha.
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« Reply #295 on: March 03, 2011, 12:31:43 AM »

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Thad is the type to try and put on the best front in public regardless of his true feelings, so... you hit the nail on the head with that one, haha.

I kind of figured as much.
Thad seemed like a pretty stand offish guy, something pretty rare for an Americana character.  I mean compared to Scott Westman, Jefferson Dent (who isn't in this one), Lawrence Watson, D'Israeli and (from what I've seen of the guy) Christian Mattingly Thad O'Connor is a very reserved guy who avoids confrontations as much as possible.
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« Reply #296 on: March 03, 2011, 03:28:51 PM »

Beau's mind is deteriorating by the day. I like how even D'Israeli's own Libertarianesque Republicans are in the group labeled "Blatantly Critical", such as Goldwater and Taft. That means D'Israeli's alienated his own base. It'd be funny to see him win the nomination and go down in a landslide, but Crane's a Republican.
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« Reply #297 on: March 03, 2011, 05:56:07 PM »
« Edited: March 03, 2011, 06:05:55 PM by Mechaman »

Beau's mind is deteriorating by the day. I like how even D'Israeli's own Libertarianesque Republicans are in the group labeled "Blatantly Critical", such as Goldwater and Taft. That means D'Israeli's alienated his own base. It'd be funny to see him win the nomination and go down in a landslide, but Crane's a Republican.

Back in the day he was more mentally competent.  When he ran in the Republican Primaries of 1972 he was widely praised for his "unique libertarian campaign" in contrast to the "reactionary Rhodes campaign" and the "liberal Kennedy campaign" by counterculture advocates.  At the time he was more of an agnostic and kept quiet about bashing the Christians, in fact some big churches in the West endorsed him in 1972 due to his "state's rights" view on abortion (as opposed to Rhodes "national legalization" plan).  And his platform in 1972 was more akin to the RL Libertarian Party than it was to his crazy 1980 agenda.

If Winston is reading this, please don't take this personally man.  I always thought of you as a friend, even if you are now a crazy commie.  I just need a crazy character, and your man fits the bill.

As for Philip Crane, I'm not sure yet if he'll run as a Republican or as an Independent.  He's a pretty popular president (61% approval rating as of December 1983) who has made inroads with traditionally strong Democratic groups like Irish and Italian Catholics and even popular among the African American population that usually favors Moderate Reform or Progressive candidates.  I'll need to make some entries about Crane's public image and perception to give a more accurate picture of what's happened at the presidential level, but he (despite being elected as a Constitution Party President) has so far done a pretty good job (at least in the eyes of the public) and is widely seen as a "rare president who is not only willing to work across aisles but insists on cross party cooperation to better the American situation."
Some pundits (taking into account that Economic Conservatism has "never been stronger" with a united American right wing coalition that takes up 2/3rds of the US Senate and over 60% of the US House) have even compared his 1st term to that of FDR, but for different reasons.

If there is anybody who could probably run as an independent and win it's Philip Crane, but due to the cooperation of Congressional Republicans with his agenda he might just run once again for the Republican nomination.  In that case D'Israeli's chances of winning the nod=very slim indeed.
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« Reply #298 on: March 03, 2011, 06:21:59 PM »

Bold prediction: Crane's victory will be a landslide that is also seen as a "re-aligning" election.

Anyway, to my fellow viewers: If Atlas Forum were around during this time period (yeah yeah, Internet wasn't around, whatever) what party do you think you'd identify with? What party could you see other posters identifying with?

I think I'd still be a Republican with a few Classical Liberal votes and even some Moderate Reform votes.
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« Reply #299 on: March 03, 2011, 06:31:22 PM »

Bold prediction: Crane's victory will be a landslide that is also seen as a "re-aligning" election.

Anyway, to my fellow viewers: If Atlas Forum were around during this time period (yeah yeah, Internet wasn't around, whatever) what party do you think you'd identify with? What party could you see other posters identifying with?

I think I'd still be a Republican with a few Classical Liberal votes and even some Moderate Reform votes.
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Ditto, except it would depend on the positions of the Moderate Reform candidate in question.  Hell, I'd probably support a few Democrats if the Republican was too "liberal".

Really this TL's America is a whole different beast from real life so it's pretty hard to say 100% who I would vote for in a different situation.
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