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« Reply #300 on: March 03, 2011, 06:46:42 PM »

By the way, here's a free entry about black voting trends:
The Black Vote:

The African American vote, while traditionally Republican, has gone through some trend changes since the beginning of the Great Depression.  Notably FDR became the first Democrat to win solid support amongst the African American community who supported his New Deal programs for helping better the conditions of millions of impoverished blacks in the Deep South.  After FDR passed away his successor Harry Truman, who would endorse the Civil Rights Plank in the Democratic platform of 1948, would win a high amount of the black vote, 68% of urban blacks.  This advantage would pass onto Estes Kefauver, who would carry the black vote with over 60% of the vote in 1952 and 70% of the vote in 1956.  The African American vote would be more divided in the Election of 1960 between the adamant Affirmative Action supporter Charles Percy and the Progressive Democrat James Roosevelt.  Roosevelt, owing to the popularity of his father amongst urban African Americans, would win 52% of the vote in 1960.  By the Election of 1964 with a Democratic ticket that made some concessions to Southern Conservatives blacks would trend hard Republican, voting 67% for Morton who was very progressive on Civil Rights.  By the Election of 1968 blacks would return to being a swing demographic, this time going 53% for Robert Kennedy who made huge inroads with blacks with his "Reconciliation" speech that many credit with improving greatly relations between urban blacks and white ethnic working class groups like Irish and Italian Catholics.  By 1972 RFK would prove to be a very popular President among many non-white groups and would score a landslide election victory with 64% of the black vote, helping make RFK one of the most popular presidents amongst non-WASP voting segments.  President Reagan, despite being a New Dealer, would lose the black vote in 1976 with only 48% of the vote.  GOP candidate Richardson won the black vote in 1976 by running a strong law and order and urban beautification theme in urban areas.  By 1980 with the rise of the Moderate Reform Party, a party with former liberal/moderate Republicans who emphasized strong support for civil rights, affirmative action, and other vital issues to the black community the MRP managed to win DC in the 1980 Election before the run-off.
As you can see the history of the black vote is quite erratic and prone to massive swings toward different political parties.  For this reason the demographic has been labeled as "the MEGA swing demographic" for its strong swings for candidates.  It's more like blacks don't vote for the party but the individual running, thus it is hard to gage on average the party identification of the majority of black people at any given time.  Right now President Crane has a decent showing amongst African Americans (approval around 40.5% amongst African Americans).
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« Reply #301 on: March 03, 2011, 10:40:54 PM »

I really love this timeline, with all of the changes and butterflies as well as the mixing of fictional characters. As for Dallasfan, I'm not sure what party I'd be in because of the changes as well as inner-party shifts. I'll have to answer later.
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« Reply #302 on: March 04, 2011, 09:46:25 AM »
« Edited: March 04, 2011, 12:51:30 PM by Mechaman »

New Character Bio

Name: Adrian Vincent Moore
Date of Birth: August 2nd, 1947 (age 36 in 1983)
Location of Birth: Buffalo, New York
Family: Wife: Sophia Juliet (nee Rosseau) (born May 7th, 1958, married April 8th, 1980; daughter: Connie Jewel (born December 21st, 1981)
Political Party: Democratic
Current Political Office: United States Senator from Missouri (Class 1) (January 3rd, 1983-present)
Previous Offices: Missouri State Senator (1979-1983)
Previous Occupations: Public Accountant for McMahon, Michaels, Johnson (MMJ) in St. Louis from June 8th, 1973-December 23rd, 1978
Languages: English, French, and Italian; smatterings of Spanish, Portuguese, and Persian
Ethnic Makeup: 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Welsh, 1/2 Italian
Religion: Roman Catholic
Education and Alma Mater: Bachelor's Degree in Missouri State School of General Business in Accounting
Notable: Drafted the Missouri Equality Bill in 1980, helped turn in St. Louis Mob Boss Vito Canellis after he noticed an error in the taxes of Canellis Oil Corp.

Yes, this character will appear in the near future in some shape or form.
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« Reply #303 on: March 04, 2011, 02:42:34 PM »

A bit of a humorous entry (in my opinion):

July 12th, 1983
Westman Cabin
Flathead Lake, Montana:


It is late at night as Scott Westman is laying in bed with his lover, Caroline Kennedy.  He looks down at her and says:

Westman: So Caroline?
Caroline: Yes dear?
Westman: When will we actually you know......
Caroline:...what?
Westman: You know instead of cuddling each other we you know.......
Caroline: When my last name isn't Kennedy perhaps?
Westman: So you come over here and say you want to live with me but no sex?  WHAT?!
Caroline: It's the way of the faith Scott.  To agnostic Catholics like you it might not mean anything but to me it means a lot.
Westman: Seriously Carol I'm going to get massive blue balls as long as we aren't doing anything.
Caroline: Ever heard of the phrase "Do It Yourself?"
Westman gets out of bed before turning around and facing Caroline.
Westman: Fine!  I will do it myself you selfish woman!
Caroline blows raspberries at Westman as he goes to the restroom.  He comes back 10 seconds later.
Westman: Sorry love, I forgot something.
He starts searching around the bed until he reaches behind Caroline's left ear and pulls something out.  In his hand is an engagement ring.
Caroline looks ecstatic.
Caroline: Wow, it's beautiful Scott.
Westman: Caroline Kennedy, will you marry me?
Caroline, looking full of apprehension, answers.
Caroline: Yes, I do.
Instead of going in for an emotional embrace or a wet kiss Westman gets off the bed and reaches under it to pull out a suitcase.  He slams it on the bed before exclaiming:
Let's go to Vegas!!!!

18 Hours Later (yeah they took a plane)
Las Vegas Nevada
Chapel O'Love:


Scott Westman and Caroline Kennedy are in a small chapel with five witnesses (none of them they knew personally), some guy Westman paid fifty bucks to be his best man and that guy's girlfriend as Caroline's maid of honor.  The wedding officiator, an early thirties Greek dude wearing a zoot suit, begins speaking:
Officiator: Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to-
Westman holds up a finger before speaking.
Westman: Excuse me Mister Stratos but is there anyway we could you know have the fast food version?
Stratos: Of course good sir.  Would you like to take this woman as your bride?
Westman: Hell yeah I do.
Stratos: Do you take this man as your husband Miss Caroline?
Caroline: Yes!
Stratos: Okay by the power invested in me by the state of Nevada blah blah yada yada go ahead and kiss her.
Scott and Caroline Westman share a thirty second kiss on the altar.  Stratos comes back from the office with paperwork.
Stratos: Okay here is your wedding license Mister and Mrs. Scott Westman.  Is there anything else you need?
Westman: Uh got any casino recommendations?
Stratos: That one place that looks like Rome is pretty cool.
Westman: Righteous.
Scott and Caroline Westman leave the chapel and go on the town in Vegas.

Three Hours later:
Scott and Caroline Westman are walking around the Casino when some guy in a suit approaches them.
Suit guy: Senator!  Miss Kennedy!  What are you doing in Vegas?
Caroline: I GOT MARRIED!!! WOOOOOOO!!!!!
Westman: Great now the whole world will know.

Later that night:
Lucinda Lopez is walking down the hallway with her rolley full of towels when she hears from a nearby room:
"Baby!  TONIGHT YOU ARE GOING TO RIDE SPACE MOUNTAIN!!!  WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!"

In the room next door.
Caroline: Scott, why did we get the room next door to Ric Flair?
Westman: Sh*t, what I wanna know is with as much as they charge for these rooms why the cable tv is sh*tty.
Damn you Ric Flair.  God damn you Ric Flair, Westman thought in his head. Thanks for ruining my honeymoon you Nature Asshole.
Caroline: Remember, if I find out that you've been sleeping around behind my back I'll f***ing kill you and bury your corpse!
Westman nods.
Westman: Yes ma'am!
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« Reply #304 on: March 04, 2011, 03:12:37 PM »

July 13th, 1983

CBS News:

Rather:
In other news former Montana US Senator and now Democratic hopeful for the Montana governorship was married this afternoon to Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of the late Massachusetts Senator John Kennedy and nephew of deceased President Robert Kennedy and US Senator Edward Kennedy.  The two were married in a Las Vegas chapel with 7 other witnesses, none of them they knew.  More news after the break.
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« Reply #305 on: March 04, 2011, 04:46:57 PM »

Good to see that you have people who know how to style and profile in your timeline.   However, I have to wonder about what could have cause Flair to be in Las Vegas at that time.  In 1983, the territory system hadn't yet broken down and Las Vegas was an AWA territory.  Flair wrestled for Jim Crockett Productions at that time.  So unless there are some butterflies affecting pro wrestling, it would be far likelier for the room next door to have had Hulk Hogan rather than Ric Flair.  (Altho I agree that Flair's a more appropriate choice of color commentator.)
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« Reply #306 on: March 04, 2011, 04:53:41 PM »

Good to see that you have people who know how to style and profile in your timeline.   However, I have to wonder about what could have cause Flair to be in Las Vegas at that time.  In 1983, the territory system hadn't yet broken down and Las Vegas was an AWA territory.  Flair wrestled for Jim Crockett Productions at that time.  So unless there are some butterflies affecting pro wrestling, it would be far likelier for the room next door to have had Hulk Hogan rather than Ric Flair.  (Altho I agree that Flair's a more appropriate choice of color commentator.)

Yes that is correct.  But I remember reading Flair's autobiography that he performed some special event in the mid 1980's in Vegas.  You know like a cross promotional appearance?
So yeah he's there for like one night and gives somebody a ride on Space Mountain.

By the way his autobiography is a pretty good read if you're a pro-wrestling fan.  I would recommend it on a summer reading list if you have one.
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« Reply #307 on: March 04, 2011, 05:33:06 PM »
« Edited: March 22, 2011, 12:51:16 AM by Winnedago »

The Democratic Presidential Field:
Despite the popularity of President Crane there were quite a few Democrats in 1984 who were campaigning for the presidency.  Of note:

US Senator John Glenn of Ohio
US Senator Daniel Lynch of Massachusetts
US Senator Thomas Eagleton of Missouri
Former US Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska
Former US Senator Fred Harris of Oklahoma
California Governor Roger Ebert
Washington Governor Robert Barker
Former Vice President James Carter of Georgia
Representative Charles Manson of California
Representative Ralph Nader of Connecticut
New York Governor Stephen Smith


Dan Rather would call the field of candidates "one of the most exciting field of candidates in years".  More comments on the field:

US Senator John Glenn of Ohio: A former US Air Force veteran and the first man to go into outer space, John Glenn is one of the most popular Democrats in the nation due to his standing as a national hero and a symbol for the National Space Organization.  A moderate Democrat who supports the death penalty, is pro-choice, and supports increased spending on scientific research his unique stances and popular personification as an American hero might endear him to the American populace.  Cynical analysts say "Glenn might be the only Democrat who has a shot in hell of winning 100 electoral votes in 1984."
US Senator Daniel Lynch of Massachusetts: The nation's first half Irish, half African American US Senator is known for his support of the American working class.  He is well known as being a proponent of the "consistent life ethic", being opposed to the death penalty and abortion as "violations of the right to life" and being a vocal supporter of union rights.  He is also, unlike many Democrats, skeptical of free trade and supports "conditional" trade agreements to insure that US Corporations that do business overseas don't take advantage of foreign labor.
US Senator Thomas Eagleton: A moderate Democrat from Missouri, Thomas Eagleton is well known for being active in foreign affairs, defense, education, healthcare, and environmental issues.  One of his key campaign issues is the idea of "healthcare vouchers" that would make private healthcare more affordable and competitive with public healthcare.
Former US Senator Mike Gravel: A libertarian leaning Democrat from Alaska Mike Gravel, though dry on personality, is emphasizing the need for safeguards to protect civil liberties and proposals to drastically reduce military intervention in foreign lands.  He has also, to much derision, suggested that instead of a nation wide progressive income tax that Congress replace the income tax with a 21% nationwide consumption tax on all sale items, a plan similar to that being proposed by a number of Republicans in Congress.
Former US Senator Fred Harris: The 1980 US Vice Presidential nominee and former Senator from Oklahoma Fred Harris is running off a campaign of public funding for political campaigns (thus doing away with corporately funded campaigns), the introduction of a nation wide "Equality Bill" that makes pay discrimination based on sex, gender, and sexual orientation illegal, and expansion of the Public Healthcare Bill.  He has also been vocal in his opposition to the new income tax rates, insisting that the new tax rates "represent a reverse Robin Hood in that the tax burden now falls chiefly amongst the lowest of income earners instead of the highest"  In it's place he would openly advocate the implementation of "Robin Hood" economics, restoring the top tax rates to 70% and holding employers responsible for the social costs of workers.  Many pundits have labeled Fred Harris campaign as "the closest to Swedish Social Democrat as one can get for an American politician".
California Governor Roger Ebert: A young buck governor who took office in 1979 at the age of 37, the former film critic won election over his Republican Rival Joseph C. Freeman after running off a campaign of efficient government that was based off the ideas of the Efficiency Movement in the Progressive Era.  A few months into office he starts making spending cuts left and right, deeming that in those areas private solutions would be more efficient and less costly than government solutions.  In Ebert's belief there is no "one size fits all" plan for governing and that government should only interfere in areas that the private sector can not best work.  For this reason he has often been labeled as a "libertarian Democrat" for this approach, as well as his insistent support of a nation wide "Equal Rights" bill for LGBT individuals.  He is very well known for his blunt criticism of things he perceives to be "not just bad, but damned awful."
Washington Governor Robert Barker: An elder Washington statesman with experience as a state representative, state senator, lieutenant governor, attorney general, secretary of state, and finally governor Robert Barker is one of the most politically experienced Democrats running for the Presidency in 1984.  Taking office as Washington's governor in January 1973, he is currently one of the longest serving governors in the nation.  Under his tenure Washington established a "Pet's Care Program" that established a universal healthcare plan for the pets of Washington residents in addition to the strongest patient protection laws in the United States.  In addition his term also saw dramatic improvements in the condition of education system of Washington, implementing a system that put the quality of teaching over simple experience that saw a drastic rise in the average education of the Washington youth.  Under his leadership the prison rolls in Washington state are among the lowest in the nation and the average inner city kid has a better chance of seeing college than he does of spending life in jail.  Many have lauded Governor Barker as "the epitome of Progressive: strong, efficient, and successful".  In a year that looks like its leaning heavily towards President Crane, many experts agree that Barker might be the strongest Democratic nominee.
Former President James Carter of Georgia: The former Vice President of the United States, Jimmy Carter is best known for his moderate image in contrast the openly liberal progressive President Reagan.  While in office as Vice President he often voiced opposition to what he saw as "government overreach" in Reagan's support for more airline and railway regulations.  However, he was a very enthusiastic supporter of the Reagan Energy Program, a program initiated by the Environmental Protection Agency to find ways to develop cleaner more efficient energy for heating/cooling homes and fuel efficient cars.  He is also well known for his efforts at being a peace maker in the Middle East, successfully organizing a peace agreement between the Libyan and Egyptian governments and negotiating the release of American hostages from the New Delhi embassy in May 1981 during the height of the Indian Revolution.  His connections to Reagan might damn his chances, but his wide appeal might help him shore up some support that would otherwise stay home.
Representative Charles Manson of California: The former Monkee guitarist turned Californian Representative has amassed a very left leaning record since entering Congress in 1975.  Manson is most known for his unorthodox appearance: 5'4", disheveled long hair, a gruff looking beard on his chin, and a screeching voice that sounds like nails on a chalkboard.  Despite his unpolitical appearance Manson has found himself re-elected time and time again representing parts of northwest Los Angeles county.  When it comes to the issues Manson is best described as "lunatic fringe" by commentators.  Among the issues he supports: a Universal Healthcare System (get private sector out of healthcare), opposition to any and all censorship on the radio and tv, support of the EqualTrade plan proposed by union activists, the removal of all US army personnel from overseas and an apology to all nations that the US has unnecessarily interfered in, strict environmental laws including a high "tariff" on foreign companies that refuse to abide by US environmental standards., a constitutional amendment legalizing gay marriage and abortion rights for women, lowering the drinking age to 18, requiring tobacco companies to put explicit health warnings on cigarette packages, bring back 90% top income bracket taxation, and the introduction of a "stock tax" that would tax common stock on the market (ex: if you have common stock of $8,000 and the stock tax is 10% your stock would be subject to an $800 tax and thus the real value of your stock would be $7,200).  He often proudly declares himself a "Democratic Socialist" on the House floor.  Many experts say that out of all the candidates Manson would probably be the worse due to his unpolitical appearance and radical views.
Representative Ralph Nader of Connecticut: A Democratic representative from Connecticut Ralph Nader's pet issue is the legalization of sports gambling to bring in tax revenues to balance the budget deficit.  Other unique positions of his include: a "fuel efficiency tax" on vehicles that have less than 20 miles to the gallon on the highway, legalization of ferrets and other banned pets, a "hazardous materials tax" on items bought in stores that contain materials that could be hazardous to a person's health if they come into direct contact with it, and a national law requiring buildings with more than three stories to have elevators.  Commentators have a field day with Nader, commenting that Nader would also support a tax on "unlicensed UFOs."
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« Reply #308 on: March 04, 2011, 05:35:02 PM »
« Edited: June 20, 2011, 04:22:08 PM by Major Assel »

New York Governor Stephen E Smith: Related to the Kennedy family through marriage Stephen Smith is mostly known for his pragmatic governing style as Governor of New York since 1979.  In stark contrast to the popular liberal Republican Nelson Rockefeller Governor Stephen Smith would bring about great reductions in the state income tax along with cuts in "unnecessary programs".  At the same time he would lead the fight against the Rockefeller Drug Laws which he argued "has filled New York state prisons with thousands of otherwise innocent citizens....for life."  Known as a strong law and order advocate he would, out of the state's rainy day fund, call for an increase in the state police force and average salary pay and being a "broken windows" policy.  One of his more interesting stances has been that on gun rights, as governor he signed the repeal of the state's handgun ban but at the same time made a push for more regulations (such as a 12 day waiting period, exhaustive background checks, banning certain types of ammunition from being sold, keeping gun stores away from schools and church buildings, etc. etc. etc.) on guns.  Also as governor he signed a bill that gave gay couples equal rights to straight couples "in all facets of life".  On the abortion issue he infamously told a reporter that he was "pro shut the hell up" and that the issue should be left as it is without a national plan on either side, though he did sign a recent bill that made partial birth abortion an illegal practice in New York state.  So far his tenure has been a success, with 58% of New Yorkers approving of his job.  That isn't, however, an accurate representation of his chances in the general though he is expected to carry New York, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island should he run against a conservative like Philip Crane.
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« Reply #309 on: March 04, 2011, 06:16:59 PM »

But I remember reading Flair's autobiography that he performed some special event in the mid 1980's in Vegas.  You know like a cross promotional appearance?

Flair was probably referring to the short-lived "Pro Wrestling USA" effort that was an attempt to counter the growing clout of McMahon's WWF, but that was 1984-85.  If Flair was in Las Vegas, it would most likely have been to defend the cross promotional NWA Heavyweight Title, but in OTL, Harley Race was the champion during the honeymoon.  Still, butterflies in when Flair had his title reigns certainly could have happened, and I said, Flair was certainly the right choice.
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« Reply #310 on: March 04, 2011, 06:17:46 PM »

The Republican Field:

Though nowhere as competitive or diverse as the Democratic field the Republican field had a few of it's own running for president:

President Phil Crane of Illinois ?
Senator Beauregard D'Israeli of Wyoming
Representative Michael Harrison of California
Representative Robert P. Nahum of Connecticut


President Phil Crane of Illinois: The incumbent president, though registered as an independent, could run in the Republican primaries for the nomination of president.  With his popularity high among Republicans it would probably be in his best interest to run a unity ticket with the GOP and Conservatives to win re-election.  Phil Crane, however, has never been easy to predict.
US Senator Beauregard D'Israeli of Wyoming: Wyoming's senior US Senator and the 1980 Republican nominee for President Beauregard D'Israeli is known for having perceived radical fringe positions and his erratic behavior.  He also has run for president every single election after he got elected into office which many of his colleagues say is signs of megalomania.  Although generally perceived as a "libertarian Republican" D'Israeli views on the issues has trended a bit more authoritarian than they were in the 70's.  Some fringe issues, like increasing the rate of executions by 500%, are called by his opponents as "the views of a madman".  In 1980 he managed to score a huge upset at the national convention that no one knows how it happened.  If he wins the nomination he is likely (once again) to lead a divided party to election time and lose an election that would've been the Republicans to win.
Representative Michael Harrison of California: A pro-environment Republican who is also against the increased defense spending of Crane, Harrison is running for office on a platform to increase awareness about military isolationism and green reform politics.  He acknowledges that there isn't much chance of him winning the nom, but he is running anyway to "get the message out".
Representative Robert P. Nahum of Connecticut: A Republican moderate who refused to defect to the Moderate Reform Party in 1981, Nahum is running as a "Third Way" alternative between Crane and the "Progressive" Democratic branch of candidates running for the Democratic nomination.  A respected veteran of Congress for almost thirty years, commentators still doubt he would be able to win over the better organized Crane if he runs as a Republican.
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« Reply #311 on: March 04, 2011, 06:18:39 PM »

But I remember reading Flair's autobiography that he performed some special event in the mid 1980's in Vegas.  You know like a cross promotional appearance?

Flair was probably referring to the short-lived "Pro Wrestling USA" effort that was an attempt to counter the growing clout of McMahon's WWF, but that was 1984-85.  If Flair was in Las Vegas, it would most likely have been to defend the cross promotional NWA Heavyweight Title, but in OTL, Harley Race was the champion during the honeymoon.  Still, butterflies in when Flair had his title reigns certainly could have happened, and I said, Flair was certainly the right choice.

Oh right.
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« Reply #312 on: March 04, 2011, 06:58:36 PM »

Butterflies, which are amazing indeed, were the reason I asked Mechaman to not use my original character. Just it wouldn't fit.

Yeah I remember the instant I posted DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN, FOR REAL DOG he flipped a sh*t and was like "dude get me the hell out of here!!!!"
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« Reply #313 on: March 04, 2011, 07:43:01 PM »

Butterflies, which are amazing indeed, were the reason I asked Mechaman to not use my original character. Just it wouldn't fit.

Yeah I remember the instant I posted DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN, FOR REAL DOG he flipped a sh*t and was like "dude get me the hell out of here!!!!"

Story is enjoable enough Tongue
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« Reply #314 on: March 04, 2011, 08:45:54 PM »

When you say New York Governor Shepherd Smith, is this a real person, or fictional? Because there's a FOX news commentator named "Shepard Smith" (though I think he was born in 1964)
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« Reply #315 on: March 04, 2011, 10:08:45 PM »
« Edited: March 04, 2011, 10:13:30 PM by Mechaman »

When you say New York Governor Shepherd Smith, is this a real person, or fictional? Because there's a FOX news commentator named "Shepard Smith" (though I think he was born in 1964)

Doh!
Actually I meant Stephen E Smith (looking back at tl).
I'll edit it later when I'm on my computer.

Edit: nevermind did it via iPhone.
Oh yeah!
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« Reply #316 on: March 05, 2011, 08:28:53 AM »

December 15th, 1983
Interview excerpt with Montana Gubernatorial Candidate Scott Westman:

Interviewer:
So who are you endorsing for the presidential race?
Westman: Roger Ebert, though my wife is supporting Stephen Smith.
Interviewer: Kind of surprised that you aren't supporting your fellow Kennedy in-law.
Westman laughs
Westman: Yeah it's been a real controversy back home let me tell you.  But my wife is free spirited when it comes to these things so yeah.
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« Reply #317 on: March 05, 2011, 08:37:49 AM »

Is Ebert that movie critic dude? Like Siskel and Ebert or whatever? I think I remember that name associated with a movie critic.
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« Reply #318 on: March 05, 2011, 10:27:23 AM »

Is Ebert that movie critic dude? Like Siskel and Ebert or whatever? I think I remember that name associated with a movie critic.

Yeah.
He runs a campaign in 1978 with his blunt critical style.  Oddly enough it wins the people over and they elect him governor (Jerry Brown was a bass guitar virtuoso in this TL so he's never involved in politics).
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« Reply #319 on: March 05, 2011, 01:20:14 PM »

Gubernatorial Primary Debate (Democratic)
May 2nd, 1984
Scott Westman vs. Max Baucus:

Westman:
  What I want to know seriously Max is why are you suddenly so interest in governing this state, especially months after I declared my interest in running?
Baucus pauses for 5 seconds
Baucus: I just found that while serving in the US Senate I had gotten further away from my constituents and wasn't having as much of an effect as I would like with legislation.
Westman: That's good and all Max but there can only be one of us to be Governor of Montana.  You already are the US Senator, don't you trust me and my ability to govern this state well enough?
Baucus laughs
Baucus: More than any Republican I would guess.
Westman: Okay then so why after I made my intent to run perfectly clear for months and every other Democrat in Montana respectfully declined to run, men and women with less pre-existing responsibilities to the state of Montana than you, did you decide to run?  Especially considering that this year you could be running for re-election to the Senate?
Baucus: I don't like these sort of loaded questions Mister Westman.
Westman: Please, call me Scott.  I'm sorry if they do seem loaded Max, but do you understand why the people are really skeptical of you running at this time?
Baucus: Because this state can't be trusted with you as governor that's why.
Audience gasps.
Westman gives him a dirty look.
Westman: So you are running to deny me the nomination?  You are willing to sacrifice your US Senate seat to prevent a fellow Democrat from governing Montana?
Baucus: Now hold on a second there pal, you don't understand.  You are a great legislator but as one to be entrusted with governing a state.......no thanks.
Westman: Look here citizens, a man willing to cut his own party in the throat to prevent a man he disagrees with from winning the governorship.
Baucus: Go ahead and promote this as some kind of vile evil plan Westman, but it's no worse than what you did to the national party in 1980.
Westman: That was different and you damn well know it.
Baucus: How was it different Scott?  Oh right, you didn't run against Mondale in the primaries you just waited until he became the nominee.  Yeah you are right after all, what I'm doing is more honest than what you did.
Moderator: GENTLEMEN!!!  SOME DECORUM PLEASE!!!
Westman: Oh and suddenly you are justified acting this way huh?  By the way thank you for admitting that you aren't really interested in serving the people of this state Max, when I win the nomination in a landslide I'll send you a Valentine.

The May 2nd debate, called "one of the nastiest primary debates in recent history" would give the Montana audience a very negative view of Max Baucus, who was behind Westman by two points.  After the debate Westman would gain a fifteen point lead on Baucus.  According to Montana state law an individual can only seek election to one political office, so if Baucus loses the primary he's won't be in the US Senate race.  With the massive gaffes he made in the debate he would have to go to an all new low to try to make the race closer: negative campaigning.
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« Reply #320 on: March 05, 2011, 06:26:01 PM »
« Edited: March 05, 2011, 11:03:32 PM by Mechaman »

Deleted previous entry after I realized that it was such a huge logical fallacy maybe even a lot politicians now day wouldn't come near.

Will have a new update tomorrow.

I got projects and tests next week so expect a decline in updates.
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« Reply #321 on: March 05, 2011, 06:27:03 PM »

Baucus actually made a good point in the debate despite admitting that he wasn't really interested in being Governor.
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« Reply #322 on: March 05, 2011, 06:32:07 PM »

Baucus actually made a good point in the debate despite admitting that he wasn't really interested in being Governor.

Yeah he's just a massive dickface.
I will think of something, it probably won't involve sharing tea with people related to a fascist dictator but it will be a pretty blatant low blow attempt at Westman.
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« Reply #323 on: March 06, 2011, 07:10:37 PM »

Baucus TV ad: He Feels Your Pain
Original Airdate: May 5th, 1984:


TV ad shows a picture of Scott Westman in a suit with a big grin on his face.
What is Scott Westman grinning about?  Is it a nice and beautiful day outside?  Or has the former US Senator learned that it's possible for money to grow on trees?  If we knew what the Westman clan knew about manipulating the stock market, it's probably the latter.
Little wads of money with wings start flying across the screen.
Now making money is good and all, especially if it's done the American way: good hard work.  What did Scott Westman do to earn his money?  He played the stock market, using the tricks his grandfather taught him to make tens of millions of dollars.  Of course you probably had no idea his net worth is over $50 million, after all no one can tell with all of those commercials of his claiming to feel the pain of the common man......unless of course he means the pain of the common man on his income tax.  Did you know that out of the millions that Scott Westman, and other millionaires, have made that only a fraction ever gets taxed?  This is because in the tax law there is a loophole that allows money stored away in foreign bank accounts, like Westman's bank account in Barbados, to be excluded from the reach of the US Tax system.
The flying wads of money are shown flying into a Piggy Bank with the name "Barbados" on the side of it.
Yes, the former Senator does indeed know the pain of having the government take away his hard earned money and can relate to working class Americans working 40 hours a week just to survive.  Max Baucus can.
Vote for real honest government.  Vote for Baucus.


The hard hitting ad, though derided by commentators for playing "class warfare" would bring the struggling Baucus campaign back up in the polls to two points behind Westman.
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« Reply #324 on: March 06, 2011, 07:30:52 PM »
« Edited: March 06, 2011, 07:37:35 PM by Mechaman »

Baucus Radio Ad: A Day in the Life of Scott Westman
Original Airdate: May 8th, 1984:


Dark scary synthesizer music starts playing.
Ever wondered what it's like to be Scott Westman?
Westman: In your dreams you middle class honky!
Ever wondered what it's like to wake up as Scott Westman?
Westman: Sorry Mister President for being late, I had a long night with some Olympic twin gymnasts and a bottle of Morgans.
Ever wondered what it's like to have such a responsible job as Scott Westman?
Westman: It's just this week has been so slow and boring, I think I spent more time at the bar then I have being at the office.  At least I went home with that cute waitress.
Ever wondered what it's like to be carefree like Scott Westman?
Westman: Yeah she's male, but with that *** who am I to judge?
Or how about the perks?
Westman: Y'know this job wouldn't be worth it if it weren't for all the nice perks that come with it, if y'know what I mean sweetie.  So, how does Saturday work for you?
Ever wondered what it's like to have a job for six years and put forth very little effort?  Just ask Scott!
Westman: You know I was about to say something about how exciting this all is until I realized I haven't done jack squat in like six months and how much I'm pretending to care about your gay proposal.
Gee what a charming and swell guy!  We would hate to have someone else running for the governorship, someone who puts too much effort into his job and doesn't take advantage of the "perks" of office!  Somebody like:
Max Baucus.  Oh wait, you mean Max Baucus is running?  We're going to have a governor who cares about working and won't have tons of care free promiscuous sex funded by the taxpayers?  Oh man, I don't want to hear about all of the good stuff, like increased veterans benefits, protection of union rights, and a stronger state health system that Max Baucus will implement if he's elected as the Democratic governor!  Otherwise I would go to the voting booth on May 22nd and vote for him in the Democratic Primary!  Oh god save us!


The sarcastic radio ad that had audio clips of things Westman actually said while in the US Senate and to reporters would result in another big jump for Baucus, who now had a five point lead on Westman.  Many commentators would conclude that his portrayal of Scott Westman as a libertine who lives off of tax payer money and does very little towards his actual job went a long way.

Scott Westman, however, wasn't about ready to let this sh*t slide.
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