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« Reply #150 on: June 02, 2011, 06:43:24 PM »

Did you people all take off on a tax payer funded junket today or something? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #151 on: June 08, 2011, 09:39:36 PM »

Senators, I would like to congratulate you on the success we have had in reducing the backlog of legislation that built up in the queue. This is not a time to let up however, as we need to, in the word of Stonewall Jackson in the movie "Gods and Generals", "Press On! Press On! Press On!". Tongue


I am thinking we should begin working on the improvements to the OSPR. I have a feeling this could take a while, so I am thinking we should begin tomorrow. I can bring my OSPR amendment up in the PPT's slot and use it as a launching pad to fix some mistakes and make some general improvements. Thoughts on this move?

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« Reply #152 on: July 01, 2011, 11:00:24 AM »
« Edited: July 01, 2011, 11:08:33 AM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

I knew I should have posted this earlier.


Barring special circumstances (such as an early resignation like Kalwejt's), the newly elected Senators may swear in beginning at noon today. Premature oaths of office should be redone at the appropriate time as should all votes cast by such elected Senators prior to their taking the oath, for the sake of avoiding any legal challenges that could delay the Senate's operations with a court case.  



https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Article_I_of_the_Third_Constitution

Third Constitution: Article I

Section 4: Elections to the Senate

7.Those elected in ordinary elections to the Senate shall take office at noon Eastern Standard Time on the first Friday in the month after their election. Those elected in special elections to the Senate shall take office as soon as the result of their election has been formally declared.
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« Reply #153 on: July 01, 2011, 12:31:05 PM »
« Edited: July 02, 2011, 05:54:54 AM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

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« Reply #154 on: July 03, 2011, 05:59:32 AM »

You know BK if you wanted me to get the ball rolling on the 44th, you could have given me a heads up. Tongue
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« Reply #155 on: July 06, 2011, 10:15:57 AM »

I think when questioning several nominees at a time and oftentimes waiting a day or two to hear back from them, 72 hours isn't long enough.
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« Reply #156 on: July 06, 2011, 02:59:24 PM »

I think when questioning several nominees at a time and oftentimes waiting a day or two to hear back from them, 72 hours isn't long enough.

I would support making it possible to extend hearings.
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« Reply #157 on: July 06, 2011, 04:49:19 PM »

It is possible to extend hearings by 48 hours. It requires a Senator to motion such and for it to be seconded. Antonio and I extended Oakvale's hearing by 48 hours when he didn't respond within 72. I linked to the OSPR section dealing with hearings in everyone of those hearing threads and if someone had desired and thus motioned extention, I would have gladly seconded it, if such had been the case when I got on this morning. I saw none, so I opened the votes.
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« Reply #158 on: July 07, 2011, 12:06:47 AM »

I was under the impression that the injunction was only for nominees who didn't show up at all for answering questions, but reading the OSPR it doesn't say that, just "if needed."  I still think that nominations are important enough that as a general matter that trying to get meaningful questions and debate on several nominees in just 72 hours is a bit short.
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« Reply #159 on: July 07, 2011, 08:51:09 AM »

I was under the impression that the injunction was only for nominees who didn't show up at all for answering questions, but reading the OSPR it doesn't say that, just "if needed."  I still think that nominations are important enough that as a general matter that trying to get meaningful questions and debate on several nominees in just 72 hours is a bit short.

The term injunction is also used to describe a 48 hour extention of time requiring a second, in other parts of the OSPR as well.
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« Reply #160 on: July 07, 2011, 01:39:15 PM »

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« Reply #161 on: July 12, 2011, 08:42:00 AM »

maybe we should consider another change to the OSPR to deal with when the sponsor of a bill doesn't show up to say whether an amendment is friendly or hostile. seems like this has happened a few times and really slowed things down.
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« Reply #162 on: July 12, 2011, 08:46:10 AM »

maybe we should consider another change to the OSPR to deal with when the sponsor of a bill doesn't show up to say whether an amendment is friendly or hostile. seems like this has happened a few times and really slowed things down.

Well I could just object to every amendment and just preclude the need to ask and go directly to a vote everytime. Typically it saves time to ask because it opens the door to 24 hour passage of the amendment. The only real alternative would be just to hold an automatic vote on every amendment and on average that takes far longer then the friendly amending process.

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« Reply #163 on: July 15, 2011, 12:45:43 PM »

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« Reply #164 on: July 18, 2011, 05:53:18 PM »

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« Reply #165 on: July 18, 2011, 07:03:21 PM »

You're old, Yankee. Tongue
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« Reply #166 on: July 18, 2011, 10:34:09 PM »

A lot of people used to become Dean during their third terms.

I'm in my fifth and I'm still not even close... Tongue
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« Reply #167 on: July 19, 2011, 01:58:23 AM »

It would be nice to actually have some discussion of bills before we vote on them.
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« Reply #168 on: July 19, 2011, 08:56:43 PM »

It would be nice to actually have some discussion of bills before we vote on them.

Discussion besides giving a simple opinion helps. At least you and a couple others are capable Wink.
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« Reply #169 on: July 19, 2011, 10:01:04 PM »

It would be nice to actually have some discussion of bills before we vote on them.

Discussion besides giving a simple opinion helps. At least you and a couple others are capable Wink.
true. but kind of hard when cloture is bypassed and the vote starts before there's any chance.
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« Reply #170 on: July 20, 2011, 01:11:18 PM »

It would be nice to actually have some discussion of bills before we vote on them.


1. I was told it was non-controversial. A SINGLE Senator could have objected and debate would have proceeded as scheduled. But not one single senator raised their hand to object. Ohhh, Fahrenheit 911 Tongue.


2. This rule change was sitting before the Senate a month before it got finally passed. The amendment including UC was passed without objection and the final OSPR amendment was passed into effect.

It would be nice to actually have some discussion of bills before we vote on them.

Discussion besides giving a simple opinion helps. At least you and a couple others are capable Wink.
true. but kind of hard when cloture is bypassed and the vote starts before there's any chance.



You are complaining about the wrong thing. We hardly did cloture votes as it were. The change you are complaining about is the ability to overide the minimum 72 hour debate time via UC. It will take some getting used to of course but eventually it will be very efficient on bills that everyone agrees on.

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« Reply #171 on: July 25, 2011, 02:33:52 AM »

I believe the process of the massive OSPR amendment was a mistake. There was a fundamental change that was the cornerstone of the bill, but there was a constant barrage of amendments that were basically formalizing things already in effect. I admit I got lost in it and forgot about the first issue taken up in the bill as the other issues were discussed. When the time came for the final vote, I loooked over it again and worried that it would allow complex bills to be pushed through in 24 hours without debate, and it seems that fear was warranted.
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« Reply #172 on: July 25, 2011, 02:43:24 AM »

I believe the process of the massive OSPR amendment was a mistake. There was a fundamental change that was the cornerstone of the bill, but there was a constant barrage of amendments that were basically formalizing things already in effect. I admit I got lost in it and forgot about the first issue taken up in the bill as the other issues were discussed. When the time came for the final vote, I loooked over it again and worried that it would allow complex bills to be pushed through in 24 hours without debate, and it seems that fear was warranted.
You had 24 hours to object.  I don't think anything in the drought bill was controversial... but if you want to call it wasteful or whatever... then go ahead.

But I'm sick of the right wingers in the senate not really doing much of anything, and then complaining about procedures not being followed or simply "abstaining" on half the bills put forward.

Yet you guys get the highest approvals because the monolithic right is uniformly opposed to the left while the left is willing to give you guys a chance.  And I can't for the life of me figure out why.. because none of the right actually proposes any bills or offers meaningful amendments.  They simply vote no or "abstain" (another word for cop out) and whine and complain about procedure.

If you don't like the way things are done, CHANGE IT.. but that might involve work.  And who wants to work when all this really is, is a dress up popularity contest?
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« Reply #173 on: July 25, 2011, 03:16:04 AM »

I don't know what this generic right v left ocntroversy is but it bores me so I'll just ignore it. I simply don't believe 24 hours is enough time to spend considering a bill. I don't think it's reasonable to expect that everyone will even see the thread in that amount of time. I have always tried with my bills to allow a chance for other Senators to raise concerns rahter than go to a vote too quickly even if it looked like the bill would pass easily.

Aside from that, if a bill is important enough that it needs to be rushed, the least that can be done is for the sponsor to make a statement explaining why it's needed. If you want my vote, advocate for it.
For example, when I proposed my recent constitutional amendment, I explained it in a public thread before it even came to a vote in the Senate. I don;t think it's completely coincidental that of the recent proposed constitutional amendments, mine is the one is suceeding with unanimous support
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« Reply #174 on: July 25, 2011, 09:43:36 AM »

We really should have held off on the final vote until the sponsor's requested Monday for the Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act.
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