Democrats on Iraq

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Why is this surprising to you?

The Democrats love war, it's part of their tradition. They only feigned opposition to the Iraq war during election years after Bush's war became unpopular.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Since when has it been in doubt that ALL politicians are opportunistic, shallow, and deeply hypocritical beings?  It's not a particularly Democratic attribute nor is it confined to the Iraq War debate.

I'm just saying since Iraq seems to be the hot button issue of the decade. Both parties seemed to take the opposite side of what they were really on. What is your point of pointing out that "ALL" politicians are opportunistic? Does that make it right? I agree that MOST politicians are like that. I'm just glad that Bush gave peace a chance instead of darting in.

Oh yeah, Bush definitely gave peace a chance in Iraq by starting an unnecessary war there.

Your party backed him up.

Not the whole party. Just the cowards who fell for Bush's lies.

The Scoop Jackson wing of the Democratic party, you mean.

And no, they didn't "fall for Bush's lies", they were themselves part of the lying propaganda machine.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Why is this surprising to you?

The Democrats love war, it's part of their tradition. They only feigned opposition to the Iraq war during election years after Bush's war became unpopular.

Sorry, what's that supposed to prove? That rank-and-file Democrats are gullible fools?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Point being: Saying that Democrats love war is a retarded statement that goes against reality. Democrats in the USA are obviously going to be more hawkish than the average European but they don't love war. From the start there was significant opposition towards the Iraq War among the Democratic base.

The Mexican-American War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, all initiated by Democrats.

Every Democrat in the Senate and all but one in the House voted for the Afghanistan war. The majority of Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq war, including Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, as well as a substantial percentage of Democrats in the House.

The Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006 and the White House since 2008. We are still in Iraq and we are escalating the war against Afghanistan.


So, sorry, the idea that the Democratic party is an anti-war party is just ridiculous. If it were, I'd have joined.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I'm not talking about the leaders of the Democratic Party, the history of the Democratic Party or Congressmen of the Democratic Party, just the base. Yes the DLC leadership of the Democrats is certainly more interventionist on foriegn policy than the base, but there will always be a wing of the Democrats that is extremely anti-war.

Also what the hell does the Democratic Party of the 1840s have anything to do with the Democratic Party of today?

So? There's a wing of the Republicans that is "extremely anti-war" too. It doesn't mean a damn thing when it comes to who controls and represents the parties in Washington.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Point being: Saying that Democrats love war is a retarded statement that goes against reality. Democrats in the USA are obviously going to be more hawkish than the average European but they don't love war. From the start there was significant opposition towards the Iraq War among the Democratic base.

The Mexican-American War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, all initiated by Democrats.

Every Democrat in the Senate and all but one in the House voted for the Afghanistan war. The majority of Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq war, including Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, as well as a substantial percentage of Democrats in the House.

The Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006 and the White House since 2008. We are still in Iraq and we are escalating the war against Afghanistan.


So, sorry, the idea that the Democratic party is an anti-war party is just ridiculous. If it were, I'd have joined.

Ron Paul also voted for the Afghanistan War.

So did Dennis Kucinich. What's your point?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Point being: Saying that Democrats love war is a retarded statement that goes against reality. Democrats in the USA are obviously going to be more hawkish than the average European but they don't love war. From the start there was significant opposition towards the Iraq War among the Democratic base.

The Mexican-American War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, all initiated by Democrats.

Every Democrat in the Senate and all but one in the House voted for the Afghanistan war. The majority of Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq war, including Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, as well as a substantial percentage of Democrats in the House.

The Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006 and the White House since 2008. We are still in Iraq and we are escalating the war against Afghanistan.


So, sorry, the idea that the Democratic party is an anti-war party is just ridiculous. If it were, I'd have joined.

Ron Paul also voted for the Afghanistan War.

So did Dennis Kucinich. What's your point?

The Afghanistan War isn't really a good example.

How Ron Paul voted is not relevant to a discussion of how Democrats have voted.

Not to mention Ron Paul did propose an alternative to war back in 2001, and has for a long time now favored bringing the troops home. Barack Obama and the Democrats who control Congress want to not only continue but escalate the conflict in Afghanistan.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Point being: Saying that Democrats love war is a retarded statement that goes against reality. Democrats in the USA are obviously going to be more hawkish than the average European but they don't love war. From the start there was significant opposition towards the Iraq War among the Democratic base.

The Mexican-American War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, all initiated by Democrats.

Every Democrat in the Senate and all but one in the House voted for the Afghanistan war. The majority of Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq war, including Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, as well as a substantial percentage of Democrats in the House.

The Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006 and the White House since 2008. We are still in Iraq and we are escalating the war against Afghanistan.


So, sorry, the idea that the Democratic party is an anti-war party is just ridiculous. If it were, I'd have joined.

Ron Paul also voted for the Afghanistan War.

So did Dennis Kucinich. What's your point?

The Afghanistan War isn't really a good example.

How Ron Paul voted is not relevant to a discussion of how Democrats have voted.

Not to mention Ron Paul did propose an alternative to war back in 2001, and has for a long time now favored bringing the troops home. Barack Obama and the Democrats who control Congress want to not only continue but escalate the conflict in Afghanistan.

I agree that the Democrats are for the most part a pro-war party, i'm just pointing that there are better examples to prove it than how they voted on Afghanistan. Even most of the anti-establishment Democrats (and Republicans) voted for it.

Alright, so we're agreed then that the Democratic party is not an anti-war party.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Point being: Saying that Democrats love war is a retarded statement that goes against reality. Democrats in the USA are obviously going to be more hawkish than the average European but they don't love war. From the start there was significant opposition towards the Iraq War among the Democratic base.

The Mexican-American War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, all initiated by Democrats.

Every Democrat in the Senate and all but one in the House voted for the Afghanistan war. The majority of Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq war, including Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, as well as a substantial percentage of Democrats in the House.

The Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006 and the White House since 2008. We are still in Iraq and we are escalating the war against Afghanistan.


So, sorry, the idea that the Democratic party is an anti-war party is just ridiculous. If it were, I'd have joined.

Ron Paul also voted for the Afghanistan War.

I would hope he did. Did anyone actually vote against the Afghanistan war?

Barbara Lee was the only one who didn't.