Dutch director killed by islamist fanatic!

[Huckleberry Finn]

This is awful! Radical Islam is the enemy number one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3974179.stm

[opebo]

Typical religious behavior.  And yes, Muslims are the worst.

But how to stamp out religion?

[Umengus]

Typical religious behavior.  And yes, Muslims are the worst.

But how to stamp out religion?

I agree

[freek]

This ruined the election night for me. I was looking forward to that night, but I wasn't anymore after this awful event happened.

Mr Van Gogh (Vincent van Gogh was the brother of his grandfather by the way) just finished a film about the murder on Pim Fortuyn, 2 years ago (who was shot by an extreme environmentalist btw, and not a muslim). He really admired Fortuyn.

His killer butchered him like a pig. He shot him first, Mr Van Gogh asked for mercy, but the man cut his throat and stuck the knives he had used in Van Goghs chest. On one of the knives he put a note with a text in Arabic on it. It is said that the AIVD (Dutch CIA) already knew the killer because he was a friend of a muslim extremist who was arrested for preparing a terrorist attack.

Thank God there were no riots last night, like there were when Fortuyn was murdered. Only in The Hague 35 people were arrested for shouting extreme-rightwing texts, but they were all released again today.

A horrific photograph of Van Goghs corpse can be seen on http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/15290181/Moordenaar_Van_Gogh_mogelijk_moslimextremist.html

[opebo]

This ruined the election night for me. I was looking forward to that night, but I wasn't anymore after this awful event happened.

Mr Van Gogh (Vincent van Gogh was the brother of his grandfather by the way) just finished a film about the murder on Pim Fortuyn, 2 years ago (who was shot by an extreme environmentalist btw, and not a muslim). He really admired Fortuyn.

His killer butchered him like a pig. He shot him first, Mr Van Gogh asked for mercy, but the man cut his throat and stuck the knives he had used in Van Goghs chest. On one of the knives he put a note with a text in Arabic on it. It is said that the AIVD (Dutch CIA) already knew the killer because he was a friend of a muslim extremist who was arrested for preparing a terrorist attack.

Thank God there were no riots last night, like there were when Fortuyn was murdered. Only in The Hague 35 people were arrested for shouting extreme-rightwing texts, but they were all released again today.

The Dutch would be wise to expel all Muslims immediately.

[Jens]

This ruined the election night for me. I was looking forward to that night, but I wasn't anymore after this awful event happened.

Mr Van Gogh (Vincent van Gogh was the brother of his grandfather by the way) just finished a film about the murder on Pim Fortuyn, 2 years ago (who was shot by an extreme environmentalist btw, and not a muslim). He really admired Fortuyn.

His killer butchered him like a pig. He shot him first, Mr Van Gogh asked for mercy, but the man cut his throat and stuck the knives he had used in Van Goghs chest. On one of the knives he put a note with a text in Arabic on it. It is said that the AIVD (Dutch CIA) already knew the killer because he was a friend of a muslim extremist who was arrested for preparing a terrorist attack.

Thank God there were no riots last night, like there were when Fortuyn was murdered. Only in The Hague 35 people were arrested for shouting extreme-rightwing texts, but they were all released again today.

The Dutch would be wise to expel all Muslims immediately.

Now, now don't get too angry.

It is a tragedy that religious fanatics still run around in the world today. Didn't the crusades teach us anything!

[Prospero]

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The Dutch would be wise to expel all Muslims immediately.

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Exactly, as would all of Europe.  Better now than civil war 50 years from now.  Hopefully the PC cultural Marxism that disallows criticism of Islam is starting to go away.

[Jens]

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The Dutch would be wise to expel all Muslims immediately.

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Exactly, as would all of Europe.  Better now than civil war 50 years from now.  Hopefully the PC cultural Marxism that disallows criticism of Islam is starting to go away.

What planet are you from!?! Like there are fanatical exstremist groups in USA, Latinamerica, Asia and Africa, Europe has her share of them. To stigmatize a whole population group based on their religion and the actions of some nobrain fools is plain old ignorance.

Second, check your history before you claim something like"PC cultural Marxism that disallows criticism of Islam".
It wasn't until the nineties that the rightwing started to criticise Islam and what happened in muslem states.
Before that the Left was alone with its criticisme of discrimination of women et. al. The reply from the right was that we shouldn't interfere because it was their culture and who were we to tell what was right and wrong about their culture.

I'm not a great fan of religions but I do not like when people are judging others because of their religion!

[AuH2O]

The problem is that the Europeans LET IN these Arabs to begin with. Le Pen certainly recognized the problem in France and thus came in 2nd in the first round of their elections.

They'll deal with them eventually.

[angus]

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The Dutch would be wise to expel all Muslims immediately.

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Exactly, as would all of Europe.  Better now than civil war 50 years from now.  Hopefully the PC cultural Marxism that disallows criticism of Islam is starting to go away.

What planet are you from!?! Like there are fanatical exstremist groups in USA, Latinamerica, Asia and Africa, Europe has her share of them. To stigmatize a whole population group based on their religion and the actions of some nobrain fools is plain old ignorance.

Second, check your history before you claim something like"PC cultural Marxism that disallows criticism of Islam".
It wasn't until the nineties that the rightwing started to criticise Islam and what happened in muslem states.
Before that the Left was alone with its criticisme of discrimination of women et. al. The reply from the right was that we shouldn't interfere because it was their culture and who were we to tell what was right and wrong about their culture.

I'm not a great fan of religions but I do not like when people are judging others because of their religion!

The occassional voice of sobriety is good.  thanks.

[CARLHAYDEN]

This ruined the election night for me. I was looking forward to that night, but I wasn't anymore after this awful event happened.

Mr Van Gogh (Vincent van Gogh was the brother of his grandfather by the way) just finished a film about the murder on Pim Fortuyn, 2 years ago (who was shot by an extreme environmentalist btw, and not a muslim). He really admired Fortuyn.

His killer butchered him like a pig. He shot him first, Mr Van Gogh asked for mercy, but the man cut his throat and stuck the knives he had used in Van Goghs chest. On one of the knives he put a note with a text in Arabic on it. It is said that the AIVD (Dutch CIA) already knew the killer because he was a friend of a muslim extremist who was arrested for preparing a terrorist attack.

Thank God there were no riots last night, like there were when Fortuyn was murdered. Only in The Hague 35 people were arrested for shouting extreme-rightwing texts, but they were all released again today.

The Dutch would be wise to expel all Muslims immediately.

The courts in Belgium have banned a political party that took that position (it was the largest party in Belgium).

[Jens]

This ruined the election night for me. I was looking forward to that night, but I wasn't anymore after this awful event happened.

Mr Van Gogh (Vincent van Gogh was the brother of his grandfather by the way) just finished a film about the murder on Pim Fortuyn, 2 years ago (who was shot by an extreme environmentalist btw, and not a muslim). He really admired Fortuyn.

His killer butchered him like a pig. He shot him first, Mr Van Gogh asked for mercy, but the man cut his throat and stuck the knives he had used in Van Goghs chest. On one of the knives he put a note with a text in Arabic on it. It is said that the AIVD (Dutch CIA) already knew the killer because he was a friend of a muslim extremist who was arrested for preparing a terrorist attack.

Thank God there were no riots last night, like there were when Fortuyn was murdered. Only in The Hague 35 people were arrested for shouting extreme-rightwing texts, but they were all released again today.

The Dutch would be wise to expel all Muslims immediately.

The courts in Belgium have banned a political party that took that position (it was the largest party in Belgium).

Nonsens. Vlaams Blok, which probably is the party you are thinking of (It is nowhere near the largest party in Belgium nor in Flanders) nor any other party has been banned nor will they be banned. The only country in EU where parties can be banned is Germany (because of their history)

Expelling all Muslims is gibberich. Most muslims are 2nd or 3th generation inhabitans in the countries where they live. Where should they be expelled to?

[Huckleberry Finn]

This ruined the election night for me. I was looking forward to that night, but I wasn't anymore after this awful event happened.

Mr Van Gogh (Vincent van Gogh was the brother of his grandfather by the way) just finished a film about the murder on Pim Fortuyn, 2 years ago (who was shot by an extreme environmentalist btw, and not a muslim). He really admired Fortuyn.

His killer butchered him like a pig. He shot him first, Mr Van Gogh asked for mercy, but the man cut his throat and stuck the knives he had used in Van Goghs chest. On one of the knives he put a note with a text in Arabic on it. It is said that the AIVD (Dutch CIA) already knew the killer because he was a friend of a muslim extremist who was arrested for preparing a terrorist attack.

Thank God there were no riots last night, like there were when Fortuyn was murdered. Only in The Hague 35 people were arrested for shouting extreme-rightwing texts, but they were all released again today.

The Dutch would be wise to expel all Muslims immediately.

The courts in Belgium have banned a political party that took that position (it was the largest party in Belgium).

Banning of far right parties (or far left parties) is a bas idea. As long as they don't break any law they should have right to exist.

Here is their own view about the court's decision

http://vlaamsblok.be/index.shtml

Europe CAN'T expel Muslims. Most of them are citizens etc. Also it would be against human rights etc. (Oh now I'm liberal?)

However, I support a significant restricting of immigration.

[Jens]

Now I see what is going on. I don't particually salute the actions of the Belgian Suprime Court but Vlaams Blok has been one of the most radical and racist parties in Europe and it was about time that they got punished for their racist statements.
De facto banning the party is stupid, creating a martyrium that the new Vlaams Blok can use.

BTW, their homepage is a study in manipulative writing.

[AuH2O]

Given their decision, first it should be noted all judges involved can now be terminated without moral reservation, though the peaceful Dutch are unlikely to do such a thing (well, the Europeans there, not the Muslims).

Second, Vlaams Blok is quite moderate and will only gain in popularity as a result of this petty Neomarxist court ruling.

Granted, the German Occupational Government is worse, but this is still bad.

[Jens]

Given their decision, first it should be noted all judges involved can now be terminated without moral reservation, though the peaceful Dutch are unlikely to do such a thing (well, the Europeans there, not the Muslims).

You don't seriously mean that.

Second, Vlaams Blok is quite moderate and will only gain in popularity as a result of this petty Neomarxist court ruling.

And then again, if you are serious about killing judges just because you disagree with their decissions, you probably think that Vlaams Blok is moderate and they are... compared to NSDAP and neo-nazi groups in Europe and North America

[Umengus]

VB will change his name sunday: it will be (maybe) "vlaams belang". The difference with now is that his ideas about immigration will be a little bit more moderate (no expulsion of all but only of  muslims who don't respect the Belgian (or sorry, flemish...) values).

For the rest, it will be more "neoliberal" to catch right voters who vote for the liberal party (in European sense) VLD.

Vlaams Blok was the second party in Flanders. Problem is that there is 2 parties who maked a cartel and this party was first with 28%. But in the parliament of Flanders, they are in a different politic group.  (there are 4 parties in flanders who have between 20 and 25% of votes).

Results in Flanders (regionals elections 2004):

CD&V-NVA  26,26
Vl.Blok  24
VLD-Vivant  19,7
SPA-Spirit  19,7
Groen!  7,55

Results at national level (federal elections 2003):

 
VLD: 15,36  (FL)
SP.A-Spirit: 14,91 (FL)
CD&V  13,25 (FL)
PS  13,02 (WA)
Vl.Blok  11,68 (FL)
MR  11,40 (WA)
CDH  5,47 (WA)
NV-A  3,06 (FL)
Ecolo  3,06 (WA)
AGALEV  2,47 (FL)
FN  1,98  (WA)

Be careful, FL parties can run only in FL and in Brussel and WA parties can run only in WA and in Brussel. If your extrapolate the 2004 result to the national level and if you consider that a cartel is not a party, then vlaams Blok is the first party in belgium but it's not very important in the fact that , in Belgium, at the national level, we speak of "political families": socialist family, liberal family,... You must to add SP+PS, VLD+MR,... and you can see that the extremist family is not (still) the first family.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I hate Vlaams Blok.

And Umengus makes an importent point about "political families":

Belgium is a bi-lingual country. Flemish parties run in Flanders, Walloon (is there two "o"'s or one? I always forget) parties run in Wallonia.
Both sets of parties run in Brussels.

Flanders leans to the right (except Limburg IIRC... Leuven as well? Never sure of this... I had a load of statistics but lost them...), Wallonia is traditionally a Socialist stronghold, Brussels is fairly centrist.

[English]

The problem in Europe is that most of the muslim religious leaders are not European. They're shipped in from the middle east and therefore have no concept of European culture. Since it'd be impossible to ban Islam in Europe (my prefered option), I think religious leaders from Europe should be encouraged and those from the middle east banned.

[freek]

Walloon (is there two "o"'s or one? I always forget) parties run in Wallonia.

Two o's in English, one in French.

[Umengus]

I hate Vlaams Blok.

And Umengus makes an importent point about "political families":

Belgium is a bi-lingual country. Flemish parties run in Flanders, Walloon (is there two "o"'s or one? I always forget) parties run in Wallonia.
Both sets of parties run in Brussels.

Flanders leans to the right (except Limburg IIRC... Leuven as well? Never sure of this... I had a load of statistics but lost them...), Wallonia is traditionally a Socialist stronghold, Brussels is fairly centrist.

Walloons says google

I agree FL is a little bit more right than Wallonia. But it's not easy to conclude because there are lots of "socialist voters" who vote for vlaams blok. And there is a great working component in the CDNV. And you can add the green who are left too.

And it's true too that Wallonia is a left country but don't forget that in 1999, MR (liberal) was almost the first party, because the socialist party was very unpopular (and green took lots of socialist votes) but time changed: socialist improved very big, Ecolo crashed and MR stagnation.

Brussels is a left city and it's not new. In fact, MR was the first party in the city in 1995 and 1999 because he made an alliance with the FDF, centrist.

[freek]

The only country in EU where parties can be banned is Germany (because of their history)

In the Netherlands the extreme rightwing party CP'86 was banned in 1998.

[freek]

Banning of far right parties (or far left parties) is a bas idea. As long as they don't break any law they should have right to exist.

The problem with the Vlaams Blok is that they DID break the Belgian anti-racism law.

[Jens]

The only country in EU where parties can be banned is Germany (because of their history)

In the Netherlands the extreme rightwing party CP'86 was banned in 1998.

This is getting embarrasing ;-) Why was it banned? (besides from being neo-nazi)

[freek]

This is getting embarrasing ;-) Why was it banned? (besides from being neo-nazi)

The CP'86-party was the most extreme rightwing party ever to have won seats in Dutch elections, although only in municipal elections, 4 seats in 1990 and 9 in 1994. It resulted from a split in the CP (Centre Party), which won a seat in the Dutch Second Chamber in 1982. The more moderate members of the CP continued in the Centre Democrats (CD), which was quite successful in the period 1989-1996 in the elections. The extremist members of the CP united in CP'86.

Demonstrations organized by CP'86 always ended in riots. It was quite a typical neo-nazi party.

A number of prominent members of the party were prosecuted for racism and for urging on the use of violence against foreigners. In the end the leaders of the party were convicted for being "members of a criminal organisation", so the party was seen as being criminal. With this, it was easy to ban it.

However, at the time the party was banned, almost nothing was left of it. Extreme rightwing parties in the Netherlands are famous for splintering. CP'86 was no exception.
In fact, the CP'86 was the third party to have been banned in the Netherlands, in 1894 a socialist/communist party was banned and after WWII the Dutch national socialist party.

At the moment there is no strong extreme rightwing party anymore. The strongest party in that area at the moment is the NieuwRechts (NewRight) party, whose leader was kicked out of the Pim Fortuyn List, because he has ties with the Vlaams Blok. Its program may be compared with the new program of the Vlaams Blok. In the European elections of this year, they didn't score very well, only 15,000 votes (0.3%).