Dutch director killed by islamist fanatic!

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The problem is that the Europeans LET IN these Arabs to begin with. Le Pen certainly recognized the problem in France and thus came in 2nd in the first round of their elections.

They'll deal with them eventually.

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Given their decision, first it should be noted all judges involved can now be terminated without moral reservation, though the peaceful Dutch are unlikely to do such a thing (well, the Europeans there, not the Muslims).

Second, Vlaams Blok is quite moderate and will only gain in popularity as a result of this petty Neomarxist court ruling.

Granted, the German Occupational Government is worse, but this is still bad.

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In a democracy, you do not ban parties for having views you dislike, so long as they don't call for armed struggle.

Yes, it would be perfectly legitimate to kill judges that are oppressing the Flemish people. Actually, it is an insult to Western civilization that such people are allowed to live... it's possible the Flemish are acting immorally in failing to defend themselves.

In the meantime, the Frenchies will keep stealing from Flanders, giving the money to themselves, while starving the military (except for the shiny medals they stick on their prim French Generals).

And, yes, Vlaams Blok is mainstream. They are even pro-Zionist for crying out loud.

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Iran is very similar to Germany, except the Iranian government cares more about its people.

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Patriots will overthrow their illegal governments in due time.

Already, Italy and Austria have governments in line with public opinion, and several others are in decent shape (Poland, of course Switzerland though giving women the right to vote in 1972 slowed their progress).

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Sorry, we haven't banned any political parties recently or thrown someone in jail for life for slightly questioning the government.

Europe and Canada are more than making up for it, though.

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The former vice-president of Vlaams Blok had to resign after he claimed that the Holocaust was widely exaggerated. Belgium has always been a racist country and Vlaams Blok is a disgusting party.

Au, please don't such a hypocritical idiot. Banning a party isn't ok but killing people is? Please.

Of course the Holocaust is exaggerated. Actually Vlaams Blok/Vlaams Belong is not anti-Zionist.

Violence is not "OK" except when there is no alternative. If the illegal occupation government ruling Belgium bans democratically elected parties, then the only option is to change the structure of the government via force.

Any judge issuing illegal orders or members of the oppressor government are legitimate targets in the interest of promoting freedom.

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Um, no, it's not "well documented" at all.

First of all, one of the convenient things about the way so many people allegedly died is that there are no remains. So the whole point is that physical evidence doesn't exist, not to confirm the number of dead.

The facts:

- millions of Jews were interned or used in work camps

- many died of starvation and disease because Germany's infastructure was destroyed by US-UK bombings

- many were killed by the Poles and Soviets

After all, every major "death" camp was, oddly, in territory occupied by the Soviets, who, oddly, did not let us inspect the sites for several years.

A number of academics are aware of this but are afraid to really talk about it.

Irving admits the number of dead Jews was still quite high, possibly a couple million, but relatively few were killed outright and many that were died at the hands of non-Germans.

Regardless, like I said, Vlaams Belong is not anti-Zionist or anti-Jewish. They just aren't run by Jews.

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Obviously there is no point in responding to the same propaganda everyone spews out.

First, like I said, the Soviets did not let us see the camps. Explanation please.

Second, Hitler NEVER said ANYTHING about killing all the Jews in Europe. His actual plan at the start of the war was to send them to either Madagascar or Eastern Africa.

Once they were losing, Germany could not do this, so they put them in camps for the duration.

Most of the deaths were due to starvation because Germany could not supply the camps. German civilians were also starving in many cases.

It is also undisputed fact the Poles were responsible for many Jewish deaths... anyone arguing against that is obviously a propaganda tool.

EVEN THE BBC ADMITS IT:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1719790.stm

So, Al, go take your lies elsewhere. Marxist propaganda is not needed on this forum.

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Obviously there is no point in responding to the same propaganda everyone spews out.

Yup, we're all marxist propagandists while you are the only one who sees the true truth.

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I don't dispute that the Soviets were reponsible for a few mass graves, including the slaughtering of Poles.  However, keep in mind that secrecy doesn't admit guilt.  The Soviets didn't let military inspectors in anywhere in their country.

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Actually, Mein Kampf does mention the extermination of the Jews.

Even pretending like Hitler never said anything of the sort, is it that much of a leap from extreme racism and the rounding up of the Jews to the actual murder of them?
 

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This is true in the work camps. 

The camps weren't IN Russia. They were mostly in Poland. They was NO security reason to not let us in.

Why were the Allies not allowed to inspect them?

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No but they cast heavy doubt on the toll and, further, challenge the idea Germans are solely to blame for the "Holocaust," which along with the Inquisition is capitalized only because it affected Jews.

Unless you can find examples of other atocities treated in the same way.

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Once they were losing, Germany could not do this, so they put them in camps for the duration.

The first camps were built in the '30's.

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Ah. Jedwabne. It's uncertain what actually happend there... I tend not to believe either side.
Either way(s) you cannot seriously claim that one massacre out in the boondacks is evidence of Poles being responsible for a large number of Jewish deaths. Relations between Catholics and Jews (while better than pretty much every other Eastern European country) were often strained during the Pilsudski et al era, the idea of either side killing each other was abhorrent. There were Jewish politicians, film stars, etc, etc. Jews had lived in Poland for centuries (especially around Lublin) and were an integral part of Poland.
About 4 Million Jewish Poles and 3 Million Catholic Poles were murdered in the Holocaust.
That is a fact.

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I am not a Marxist and resent being called one

No, Jews were not going to camps in "the 30s," except those that were arrested for their involvement in other causes (communism, etc.)

Actually, the Poles were killing Jews during WW1 as well, though it was the Russians that killed them in large numbers. In the Russians defense, they killed everyone else unlucky enough to be along their path of retreat.

Likewise, it is universally accepted that Germany was the most hospitable nation for Jews until the aftermath of WW1, when the French and British rape of Germany in Versailles- for the first time EVER- managed to foster extreme ethnic German nationalism.

In fact I did a presentation on this topic in Ethics the other day. My conclusion was that Britain was more responsible for WW2 than Germany because Britain unfairly demanded reparations and placed limits on German sovereignty.

It should also be noted that Britain was building a heavy bomber force before Hitler came to power, the sole purpose of which was to massacre German women and children in the event of war, since German air defenses would prevent pinpoint attacks (heck, the British were too cowardly to even fly during the day, as they dropped fire bombs on children sleeping instead).

By Kantian standards, the British were the most immoral agent in WW2, followed by the Russians, and the French. The Axis and the US would be tied with moderate immorality.

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No but they cast heavy doubt on the toll and, further, challenge the idea Germans are solely to blame for the "Holocaust," which along with the Inquisition is capitalized only because it affected Jews.

Unless you can find examples of other atocities treated in the same way.

And many other. Not only Jews, but Romas, Jehovas Witnesses, homosexuals, handicapped, Slavs were part of the German Endlösnung or Holocaust.
The Inquisition did just affect Jews. Anybody with a religious point of view that the Catholic Church helt was in danger, especially herectics

Sure, others were affected.

But those two time periods/events are Capitalized because they primarily brought harm to Jews.

Find a counter-example and I will admit the error in my ways.

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According to Kant, people are naturally inclined towards violence, so it's the duty of just states to overcome this natural tendency.

By their actions, Britain (a theoretically just state) made justice impossible in Germany itself, and then proceeded to commit war crimes against Germany.

Britain had a moral obligation to seek peace, even if it meant failure, whereas the broken Germany could only be expected to relfect more base instincts.

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Not true.

An action can have no moral worth but not be immoral.

Thus, Germany rearming might be viewed as amoral because the Germans were not led by a just government.

On the other hand, a democratically elected government in Britain- presumably subject to rationality- was doing the same things.

Refer to Kant's 'Perpetual Peace' rather than simply looking at the Categorical Imperative(s).

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It's not just banning parties. It's suing them, sabotaging them, arrested their members on false charges, putting government spies in their organization, etc.

Germany is an occupation regime. Every day it rules is a massive crime against humanity... Schroeder deserves nothing but the gallows. Many European nations are the same.