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« on: November 03, 2004, 11:53:59 AM »
« edited: November 03, 2004, 12:02:53 PM by The Vorlon »

The real reason George Bush won the election, The GOP picked up 4 Senate seats, and made gains in the house is simple...

Free Pizza and Beer.

The great untold story of this election is that the various GOP committees, state campaign, and related entities spent a total of $280,000,000 on Free pizza, beer, snacks, jackets, autographed photos etc to give to their volunteers.

The GOP and Dems had fundemtally different approaches to get out the vote.

The Dems relied on 527s to register new voters, hired paid telemarketerd to do the final calling - essentially they outsourced the effort.

The GOP did it all in house.

Every single new GOP registered vote had 100% quality control - their information was verified twice before the registration was submitted, and every new GOP voter recieved a minimum of 2 information drops and 3 personal contacts. - All from a real person who was there not for $8.00 an hour or crack cocaine, but because they wanted Bush to win and freely gave up their time to further that goal.

I guess motivated and dedicated volunteers who are individually committed to winning, and who you treat like gold with every minor perk in existance, are more reliable than $8.00 an hour crackhead ex-felons.

Who would have seen that coming?
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2004, 11:57:34 AM »

The real reason George Bush won the election, The GOP picked up 4 Senate seats, and made gains in the house is simple...

Free Pizza and Beer.

The great untold story of this election is that the various GOP committees, state campaign, and related entities spent a total of $280,000,000 on Free pizza, beer, snacks, jackets, autographed photos etc to give to their volunteers.

The GOP and Dems had fundemtally different approaches to get out the vote.

The Dems relied on 527s to register new voters, hired paid telemarketerd to do the final calling - essentially they outsourced the effort.

The GOP did it all in house.

Every single new GOP registered vote had 100% quality control - their information was verified twice before the registration was submitted, and every new GOP voter recieved a minimum of 2 information drops and 3 personal contacts. - All from a real person who was their not for $8.00 an hour of crack cocaine, but because they wanted Bush to win and freely gave up their time to further that goal.

I guess motivated and dedicated volunteers who are individually committed to winning, and who you treat like gold with every minor perk in existance, are more reliable than $8.00 crackhead ex-felons.

Who would have seen that coming?

Makes sense.

Moral of the story: even if it is a little more expensive, it pays to keep things in house, and not outsource. You make up for it with what you gain. I've believed this on a base fundamental level for quite some time. The benefits of keeping things at home and not having them done elsewhere are subtle and often ignored, but only at one's own peril.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2004, 12:38:58 PM »

The real reason George Bush won the election, The GOP picked up 4 Senate seats, and made gains in the house is simple...

Free Pizza and Beer.

The great untold story of this election is that the various GOP committees, state campaign, and related entities spent a total of $280,000,000 on Free pizza, beer, snacks, jackets, autographed photos etc to give to their volunteers.

The GOP and Dems had fundemtally different approaches to get out the vote.

The Dems relied on 527s to register new voters, hired paid telemarketerd to do the final calling - essentially they outsourced the effort.

The GOP did it all in house.

Every single new GOP registered vote had 100% quality control - their information was verified twice before the registration was submitted, and every new GOP voter recieved a minimum of 2 information drops and 3 personal contacts. - All from a real person who was there not for $8.00 an hour or crack cocaine, but because they wanted Bush to win and freely gave up their time to further that goal.

I guess motivated and dedicated volunteers who are individually committed to winning, and who you treat like gold with every minor perk in existance, are more reliable than $8.00 an hour crackhead ex-felons.

Who would have seen that coming?

Can you back any of this up? Or are you just ranting again?

No offense, but having a moderator that is so politically nasty as this posting makes you appear, makes the site look bad.

I don't think many of the people who volunteered with Dems and boarded buses to spend time in other states are to be discounted.

Your "outsource" label is baloney. Republicans don't hire firms??
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2004, 12:46:32 PM »

He's just talking about the allocation of money-- BC04 spent their money more wisely. Do you really dispute that?  Vorlon is a good mod.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2004, 01:28:40 PM »

Politically nasty moderator?  What the hell are you talking about?
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2004, 01:29:21 PM »

Can you back any of this up? Or are you just ranting again?

No offense, but having a moderator that is so politically nasty as this posting makes you appear, makes the site look bad.

I don't think many of the people who volunteered with Dems and boarded buses to spend time in other states are to be discounted.

Your "outsource" label is baloney. Republicans don't hire firms??

Squirming a little bit now, troll?

Getting on the moderator's case?

Feeling a bit disappointed?

Ooh, it's going to hurt to maintain that sour disposition for the next four years!
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2004, 02:38:14 PM »

Can you back any of this up? Or are you just ranting again?

No offense, but having a moderator that is so politically nasty as this posting makes you appear, makes the site look bad.

I don't think many of the people who volunteered with Dems and boarded buses to spend time in other states are to be discounted.

Your "outsource" label is baloney. Republicans don't hire firms??

Squirming a little bit now, troll?

Getting on the moderator's case?

Feeling a bit disappointed?

Ooh, it's going to hurt to maintain that sour disposition for the next four years!

Huh

His post is an argument with a radically incorrect painting of one party and a trashing of its volunteers. It's plain to read it that way, if he meant otherwise he should say so. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2004, 02:44:53 PM »

I think what he said is pretty much true.....get a grip
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2004, 03:06:53 PM »

This sounds about right and just goes to show the potential problems of outsourcing.
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2004, 04:06:31 PM »

I think what he said is pretty much true.....get a grip

You mean the GOP didn't hire telemarketers to do calling, too? The firms the GOP hired were phantoms?

Let's not paint bizarre and inaccurate pictures and then ask people to get a grip.
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2004, 04:28:02 PM »

He was referring to the GOP doing most of their GOTV effort in house through the RNC.  Dems did some of that, but relied a great deal on outside groups such as Move on.com and Americans Coming Together.

It's common knowledge and has been written about extensively.  I heard Pat Caddell refer to it on a cable talk show last week.
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2004, 04:47:58 PM »

Still not sure that the RNC has phonebanks and phone machines just doing this on their own. I think it might come down to the issue of how you define outsourcing. Usually that means you do it in house, not that you pay a third-party to do it. Seems that the RNC didn't do it in house. What  the 527s did was purpose to replace some things that the Dem party should have done. Not the same as saying outsourced.
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