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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2004, 03:24:15 pm »

American doctors, according to him, wouldn't move there - no chance to make a decent living as too many of your customers will be unable to pay.

Another reason why the U.S needs an NHS

Yeah great idea. It's worked so well in Canada.
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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2004, 03:33:51 pm »

American doctors, according to him, wouldn't move there - no chance to make a decent living as too many of your customers will be unable to pay.

Another reason why the U.S needs an NHS

Yeah great idea. It's worked so well in Canada.

Glad you agree, although the British model is better for making living conditions bearable in Mining areas
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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2004, 03:35:37 pm »

American doctors, according to him, wouldn't move there - no chance to make a decent living as too many of your customers will be unable to pay.

Another reason why the U.S needs an NHS

Yeah great idea. It's worked so well in Canada.

Glad you agree, although the British model is better for making living conditions bearable in Mining areas

[/sarcasm] It is bankrupting canada and it would be devastating to the US. Didn't this election wake you brits up to the fact that we REJECT your Euro/Metro style Communism(socialism).
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2004, 03:43:35 pm »


Y'know I think the ridiculous and OTT subisidies of Quebec and Atlantic Canada's economic woes might be a bigger drain on Canada

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What's "Euro/Metro style Communism(socialism)"?
Besides healthcare wasn't a big issue this year. Should have been, but wasn't.
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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2004, 03:51:31 pm »

America rejected European Socialism and gave the rest of the world the middle finger with the message, "We'll do as WE like and you'll not dictate to us." Of course to the British 59 million Americans are stupid.
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« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2004, 04:06:14 pm »


What's "European Socialism"? The PES is really just a loose voting bloc in the European Parliament (took out that fascist nut though. Be proud) and is only the second largest bloc in the EP.
All the different parties in the PES have more factions and ideological differences than you can shake a (big) stick at.

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I wasn't aware that the rest of the World dicated anything

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Most don't (a small group very prominent in the media does though. Some of the recent headlines have been upsetting).
BTW the population of the U.K is 59 and a half Million
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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2004, 05:22:30 am »

UK NHS is not very good I think (it's the picture that we have in Belgium). I believe that the best system is the Belgium/French system: it's not socialist, it's not liberal, it's conventional medecine: you can be a liberal doctor and you can fix your fees. But you can be a conventional doctor too and it's the gov who determines tariffs (the majority of doctors are conv). If your doctor is conv, you pay only 25% of the ticket (the rest is for your mutual) . This system, very good, not in deficit (behalve in hard times), but has the disvantage to be expensive, has financed by contributions taken on the wages.

Hence this system is the best in the world (UK must send some patients in France and Belgium because her etatic medecine sucks).


For WV, I'm very optimist if John Edwards is the next presidential candidate. If it's Hillary, I think that this state will be definitively lost.
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2004, 05:35:46 am »

UK NHS is not very good I think (it's the picture that we have in Belgium). I believe that the best system is the Belgium/French system: it's not socialist, it's not liberal, it's conventional medecine: you can be a liberal doctor and you can fix your fees. But you can be a conventional doctor too and it's the gov who determines tariffs (the majority of doctors are conv). If your doctor is conv, you pay only 25% of the ticket (the rest is for your mutual) . This system, very good, not in deficit (behalve in hard times), but has the disvantage to be expensive, has financed by contributions taken on the wages.

Hence this system is the best in the world (UK must send some patients in France and Belgium because her etatic medecine sucks).

The NHS was designed so that the Working Class actually had decent healthcare. It's not showy, but it's effiecient, costs less than most other systems, employs a hellofalot of people and on the whole does it's job well.
Some patients waiting for *minor* operations in the South East are *allowed* to go across the channel to cut down the waiting list.
But it's only been a handful waiting for hip replacements etc. that have gone so far.
The NHS gets a bad press from evil right wing journos, but most people like it, and opposing it is electoral suicide.
Besides, despite Private Hospitals not being allowed to treat people with heart attacks etc, death rates in NHS hospitals are lower than the few private ones.

Free at the point of use, is something that large sections of the U.S could really do with.
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« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2019, 12:37:18 pm »

West Virginia > Virginia

Man, I never would have guessed it.

How things have changed lol
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« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2019, 03:24:04 pm »

West Virginia > Virginia

Man, I never would have guessed it.

How things have changed lol

Not sure why you bumped a thread from 2004, but whatever, NOVA is actually pretty nice, if you ignore that itís super liberal and has a lot of traffic, the houses are nice, and there is still a lot of beautiful views of the river
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« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2019, 03:35:32 pm »

West Virginia > Virginia

Man, I never would have guessed it.

How things have changed lol

Not sure why you bumped a thread from 2004, but whatever, NOVA is actually pretty nice, if you ignore that itís super liberal and has a lot of traffic, the houses are nice, and there is still a lot of beautiful views of the river

its fun to bump old threads sometimes


NOVA is nice but their are many metros that are far better(Dallas, Houston, Denver, LA, San Fran , Atlanta, New York, and from a biased point of view Portland and Seattle as well)
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« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2019, 03:47:10 pm »

I have no problem that the state with the highest incest and domestic violence rates voted for Bush.

But seriously, have you ever driven to some of those isolated towns in rural West Virginia? It's downright scary and looks like it's out of a horror movie, I'm not kidding.

Go to rural areas of PA. Seriously. Coming from a state that has thousands of Amish I believe you have very little room to speak.

I'm really into traveling dude....I've been through a lot of rural PA and I live very close to Amish country. Southwestern PA is a lot like West Virginia but it seriously gets twenty times worse once you cross that border. I don't know what it is.

IceSpear?  lol
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« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2019, 04:17:47 am »

Lol interesting how similar this thread was to some of the threads and analysis we see today.
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« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2019, 06:21:07 pm »

West Virginia > Virginia

Man, I never would have guessed it.

How things have changed lol

Not sure why you bumped a thread from 2004, but whatever, NOVA is actually pretty nice, if you ignore that itís super liberal and has a lot of traffic, the houses are nice, and there is still a lot of beautiful views of the river

its fun to bump old threads sometimes


NOVA is nice but their are many metros that are far better(Dallas, Houston, Denver, LA, San Fran , Atlanta, New York, and from a biased point of view Portland and Seattle as well)
Dude ive been to portland and seattle and those metro areas are far better than la as a la resident I love it up their I plan on moving their when I can
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« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2019, 08:08:36 pm »

Which state do you guys think was more winnable for Democrats in 2000 and 2004, VA or WV? Iíd say WV in 2000 and VA in 2004.


In 2000 WV Easily , Gore could have won it if he didnít distance himself from Clinton as much or take its EV for granted .

In 2004 WV just because Gephardt May have had a shot at it while Kerry , Edwards and Dean were not gonna win WV or VA in any realistic scenario . The only Dem who would have had a shot at VA in 2004 would have been Mark Warner and he didnít run
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« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2019, 08:14:13 pm »

Lol interesting how similar this thread was to some of the threads and analysis we see today.

Itís not surprising because many people go by this view of a state that votes for my party = list all the good stereotypes of that party , votes for other party = list bad stereotypes of that party
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« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2019, 03:44:00 am »

This thread is just... wow.
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« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2019, 06:39:06 am »

This thread is literally a f-cking fossil
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« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2019, 06:40:46 am »

sounds like when I drive on I-94 through North Dakota and occaisionally check out the little towns on the side out of curiosity. creepy.

Hi 2004 BTRD
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« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2019, 10:54:46 pm »


Yep it's pretty awesome
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« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2019, 08:56:10 pm »


Its funny as hell
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« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2019, 01:01:10 am »

Alot changes in 20 years is what I learned from this thread
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« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2019, 01:26:24 am »
« Edited: September 01, 2019, 01:32:42 am by IceSpear »

I have no problem that the state with the highest incest and domestic violence rates voted for Bush.

But seriously, have you ever driven to some of those isolated towns in rural West Virginia? It's downright scary and looks like it's out of a horror movie, I'm not kidding.

I'm really into traveling dude....I've been through a lot of rural PA and I live very close to Amish country. Southwestern PA is a lot like West Virginia but it seriously gets twenty times worse once you cross that border. I don't know what it is.

Damn, my Pennsylvanian brother was way ahead of the curve here. Massive FF! Wish he still posted and didn't disappear in 2006. Cry
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« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2019, 05:48:08 am »

You likely have climate change to blame for WV turning from a safe Democratic state to a toss-up and then a safe Republican state from 1996-2004.
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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2019, 01:38:10 am »

You likely have climate change to blame for WV turning from a safe Democratic state to a toss-up and then a safe Republican state from 1996-2004.

WV wasnt a Safe R state in 2004, if Gephardt was the nominee the state is probably Lean R , and if Hillary was the nominee in 2008 its likely a tossup.
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