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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2004, 08:49:56 pm »

I think it's an excellent bill.
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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2004, 09:33:49 pm »

I would vote for this bill if Clause 2 were amended to include a provision prohibiting federal employees from striking.
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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2004, 09:42:59 pm »

I would vote for this bill if Clause 2 were amended to include a provision prohibiting federal employees from striking.
I of course would vote against it in this case.
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2004, 09:57:04 pm »

If I may give my two cents here I first think that the oversite clauses of this bill are well thought out and would probably reduce government waste and increase the efficiency of government. However, I am against Clause 2 stating that government employees should be allowed to unionize. I also agree with PBrunsel that instead of adding more people to an already bloated government we should just include this either under the Secretary of Forum Affairs or possibly under the Treasury department. I would consider a council with up to 9 members akin to using a shotgun against a mouse. Why create such a structure when it is not needed and can easily be done by either of the two secretaries mentioned above.
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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2004, 05:11:51 am »

What a bureocratic cripcrap.
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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2004, 07:43:52 am »

This bill has my full support. 
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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2004, 07:52:41 am »

AFL-CIO supports this bill
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2004, 08:16:59 am »

Does Atlasia already have federal employee unions?

The usual default is to assume that unless we've done something to make Atlasia different from America its the same, and considering that  The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) has some 600,000 members and that The National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU) has some 150,000 plus there are probably others as well, I think it is safe to say that Atlasia has federal employee unions.

Ok, true. It just guarantees that all do have the right to unionize then, just to clarify that and ensure that it can't be repealed by courts or some such. They do each have the right to form their own union too.
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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2004, 11:46:26 am »

If the Unionization clause is to stay in this Bill then I support the addition of a sub-clause stating that Federal Workers Unions cannot be affliated with any Labor Organization. This would make sure that the Labor Movement does not gain control of the government through unseemly means and it also protects against conflicts of intrests between the government and Big Labor. While this is a suggestion I feel that it is needed.
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« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2004, 05:26:21 pm »

If the Unionization clause is to stay in this Bill then I support the addition of a sub-clause stating that Federal Workers Unions cannot be affliated with any Labor Organization. This would make sure that the Labor Movement does not gain control of the government through unseemly means and it also protects against conflicts of intrests between the government and Big Labor. While this is a suggestion I feel that it is needed.

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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2004, 09:05:45 pm »

If the Unionization clause is to stay in this Bill then I support the addition of a sub-clause stating that Federal Workers Unions cannot be affliated with any Labor Organization. This would make sure that the Labor Movement does not gain control of the government through unseemly means and it also protects against conflicts of intrests between the government and Big Labor. While this is a suggestion I feel that it is needed.

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With you as the head of the AFL-CIO I think that is a justifiable missgiving toward Big Labor.
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« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2004, 10:38:05 am »

As of November 9th 2004 there has been no official strike action.
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« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2004, 12:44:08 pm »

As of November 9th 2004 there has been no official strike action.

Meaning what? If this doesn't pass their will be strike action? This is why I don't want Federal Employees as part of the Al controlled AFL-CIO.
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« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2004, 02:21:18 am »

As it appears that debate has ceased on this, I urge Senator JFK to bring this to the floor of the Senate for consideration, unless you feel that it should wait for the Amendment process to conclude first.
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« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2004, 03:08:40 am »

I move to amend the proposed Federal Unionization and Competitive Contracting Bill by striking Clause 2.
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« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2004, 03:33:01 pm »

As it appears that debate has ceased on this, I urge Senator JFK to bring this to the floor of the Senate for consideration, unless you feel that it should wait for the Amendment process to conclude first.

That is my intention, to get the constitutional crisis over before we look at the other bills. If you have any objections to this please voice them.
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« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2004, 01:02:15 am »

As it appears that debate has ceased on this, I urge Senator JFK to bring this to the floor of the Senate for consideration, unless you feel that it should wait for the Amendment process to conclude first.

That is my intention, to get the constitutional crisis over before we look at the other bills. If you have any objections to this please voice them.

That is fine, though I hope the amendment process can be expedited so that we can get on to other legislation. While it is certainly an issue of great importance, and its significance cannot be understated, there is much other business that the Senate hopefully can get to in the next month before midterms.
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« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2004, 03:36:18 pm »

Nym90, would you like a vote called on your bill now?
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« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2004, 04:32:14 pm »

Nym90, would you like a vote called on your bill now?

Don't forget about my amendment.
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« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2004, 01:46:29 pm »

Nym90, would you like a vote called on your bill now?

I would, yes.
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« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2004, 03:37:13 pm »

Nym90, would you like a vote called on your bill now?

Don't forget about my amendment.

Apologies, we shall vote on the amendment now and hopefully by the time that is over we will have passed the constitutional amendment.

Senator Stevennick proposes the removal of Clause 2:

All federal government employees of Atlasia are hereby granted the right to form a union for the purposes of advocating for their interests and for negotiating contracts with management.

All Senators please vote either Yea, Nay or abstain on this amendment.
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« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2004, 03:38:23 pm »

Yea.
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« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2004, 03:42:44 pm »

Nay.
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« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2004, 05:29:53 pm »

yea
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« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2004, 06:37:03 pm »

Nay
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