Debates, proposals, complaints, (dis)agreement with moderator's decisions

[big bad fab]

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[big bad fab]

Despite some dire predictions, the Survivor Board seems healthy.

And would anybody be interested in any military "gear" survivor games?  Best Fighter.  Best tank.  That kind of thing?

I'm poor on equipments (except if it's about aircraft-carriers or big boats).
I could be better on "warriors".

But... I'm not sure you'd have many forumers interested, given the low turnout on WW2 battles.

Anyway, you can try one, some day.

[big bad fab]

There should be a sub-board for off topic survivors.

You must ask for it in "The Atlas" board, but I doubt it would be taken into consideration before a long time. And it's not good to create boards and boards and boards.

I'm sorry but, here, we really need to focus on politics and elections and history survivors, in order not to have too many of them unfinished or on second page.

BTW, there is also an "Off-topic board" and you may try to create Pokémon contests there, even though I haven't asked the moderator of this board, Alcon, if he would agree on it.
Given the wide variety of topics in this board (to say the least...), I don't see why it wouldn't fit.

[big bad fab]

There should be a sub-board for off topic survivors.

You must ask for it in "The Atlas" board, but I doubt it would be taken into consideration before a long time. And it's not good to create boards and boards and boards.

I'm sorry but, here, we really need to focus on politics and elections and history survivors, in order not to have too many of them unfinished or on second page.

BTW, there is also an "Off-topic board" and you may try to create Pokémon contests there, even though I haven't asked the moderator of this board, Alcon, if he would agree on it.
Given the wide variety of topics in this board (to say the least...), I don't see why it wouldn't fit.

Thank you. I apologize for creation of the Pokemon Gym Survivor, I wasn't aware that it had violated the rules at the time. (Nor was I responsible for the locked threads survivor.)

No problem. The rules weren't clear when you created it. But, you see, we've already got many political and historical survivors simultaneously active and they spread on page 2...

And I know you weren't responsible for the locked threads survivor. The forumer responsible for that has already proved a behaviour that doesn't fit the rules of the forum...

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Xahar, see, I've merged the 2 stickied topics.

Oh, and I've put an option on a Soviet Politburo survivor, just to be sure...

I've worked a bit on a list of Mexican presidents. The problem is, if you want to have the earliest ones (and the big old ones), you have a very long list, with many, many small ones.
And beginning with Juarez is too short, on the other hand...
Not very simple...
Maybe, one day, somebody will do this one, with a good solution


I've already asked myself (and let a post for a short time on this, but deleted it because it was too early) if putting a limit on the number of active threads would be a good idea.

Well, I think having active survivors on 2 pages is still OK. Of course, if there is more than 2 pages of active survivors, that would be a problem.

What do you think, survivormaniacs ?

[big bad fab]

Well, the problem is settling itself for the moment, as, unfortunately, even some interesting survivors are more or else erratic (Australian PMs, Canadian PMs, South African Presidents) and even one of our brilliant managers has suspended one of his fine survivors (French Fillon cabinet ).
And, of course, some less serious forumers have dropped theirs (SewerSocialist especially).

2 pages are OK I think, but 3 wouldn't be.

I have deleted Pokémon survivors and one from Rochambeau already done.

But I've said to Libertas that a survivor on classical composers would be accepted, as many of these were "hired" by princes and politicians or were used politically or were themselves active in politics, in a way (Lully, Rameau, Haendel, Beethoven, Wagner, etc.)

I would also agree on survivors on super-heroes or super-villains, provided this is linked to their political significance, use or references.

So, of course, there can be many ideas.

But I think the current wave of ideas will fade a bit.
And there is also the fact that each of us can't manage more than 3 average survivors or 1 mega-survivor.

It's difficult to say "no" to a good idea, even if there is already 2 mega-survivors. I would prefer that everyone has self-restraint when they see that the board is crowded (but even that is difficult, even for me ). That's why I created these options: everybody can see that there survivors in the making...

However, I conclude from these first 2 answers that some limits would be agreed on.
The principle is already something.

A limit can be put on mega-survivors run simultaneously.
A limit can be put on the number of active topics per each forumer.
A limit can be put on the total number of active survivors simultaneously.

I think all this will settle spontaneously, but it's better to ask and to be prepared, just in case...

Your opinions and ideas are still welcome.

[big bad fab]

Should I divide up my composers survivor into different categories to be more manageable?

Or was the original list idea good?

My concern is including lots of names nobody has heard of and getting no participation.

Maybe the other forumers intesrested in will have different ideas.

But I think you may try to divide it up in great periods or categories:
medieval-Renaissance / baroque / classicism / early romanticism / "national" romantics / late romanticism / early modern ones / "weird" ones (),
something like that, by trying to balance the groups
and, in the first rounds, we will be forced to oust 8 or 10 names.

When it's shorter and with well-known names, you can merge.

It would be better NOT to split your survivor in multiple threads

Apart from Al, I just think of one forumer who may take part in regularly: officepark.
But many others may show their interest .

[big bad fab]

It seems as if I have some time to lose... My Godness, I must stop this...

Anyway, guess what ? With only 7 voters, we make 55.5% of this board !
Shame on you !

BBF: 15.3%
Hans: 9.3%
Edu: 7.3%
Hashemite: 6.9%
Kalwejt: 6.4%
Nhoj: 5.7%
Gully: 4.6%

With officepark (2%), Hughento (1.5%), xyz (1.3%), we are above 60% !

And I don't know the numbers for Xahar, Al and Lewis because they post too much everywhere.
I haven't looked the nhumbers of Sewer and Rochambeau, tbh. Libertas is at 1.1%.
Maybe Tmth, NiK, GMantis and Disraeli may have some points, too.

Beware, many old survivors of 2009 are (yet) in this board, notably Hughento's World Leaders Survivor. It might be "worse", actually, with these threads .

[big bad fab]

May I set a stricter rule, allowing another forumer to take a topic which is inactive for more than one month ?

That's a pity interesting survivors like Israeli PMs, South African presidents, British PMs, etc are dropped...

[big bad fab]

I would suggest limiting mega survivors to 5 active threads, and only having one active at a time. Another possibility is pinning active survivors so they're always on page one, and so that people who create new survivors know their thread will be on page two until a slot opens up. To make this work, the inactivity window would need to be closer to a week.

I agree you about pinning active survivors, but things seem to have settled down a bit.

Yep, one month and a half and many "new" managers have faded away.
Fortunately, I think I won't have to adopt stricter rules.

[big bad fab]

I'd suggest humbly from my side to put a names of winner next to list of thread that ended

Yeah, I know, it will come... one day...
Because I want to do a Survivor of Survivors It would be so weird !

EDIT: Already done !

[big bad fab]

I have a question.

I'm planning on doing a Chess world champions survivor but i don't know if here would be the correct place to make it. If it were me i would do it here because Chess had historically a very politically charged past, especially during the cold war.
But i'll wait to see what Fab thinks about it and of course i would probably do the survivor a few weeks from now

Good heavens ! I'm outrageously jealous !!!
How could I forget this brilliant idea !!!

Do it HERE, Edu, that's an order !
More seriously, like great composers survivor (which unfortunately didn't meet his success), I agree on including this survivor in this child board as, of course, Chess world championships were highly political matters (and remain, when you see how Russia is back with its shenanigans and old tricks and Iliumdzhinov tries to control everything for his own intesrest).

I have 2 requests, though, Edu:

1- I won't be able to have an Internet access between, probably, the 17th and the 24th of April. I would be very, very grateful if you make sure this survivor will end before the 17th or start after the 24th, because I would really be FOND of this one and wouldn't want to miss any round !

2- After 1993, please take both FIDE and PCA champions, even if FIDE ones were minor ones. But it will make things more interesting and the list a bit longer.

Great idea, again !

[big bad fab]

I might do a "most wanted Iraqi playing cards" Survivor

By "playing cards", you mean cards you play with or.... ?

Historical, political, economic, social, geographical,... interest ?

[big bad fab]

Oh, of course I remember !
Fine idea !

[big bad fab]

Oh, of course I remember !
Fine idea !

After I finish this I am going to do an anti-Nazi Resistance survivor (this would include figures in the von Stauffenberg plot, church leaders, etc).

Interesting.
Only in Germany ? Also in the "Greater Germany" ?

[big bad fab]

Well, the thread is less crowded, eh ?

Tout passe en ce bas monde (virtuel)...

Anyway, I inted to do, some day, a Sweden Prime ministers survivor. Not too "harsh" politically and maybe a way to gain some other regular voters...

[big bad fab]

I want to start a Survivor of the Presidents and Prime Minister of the Peoples Republic of China. Maybe I will start it when fab is back.

Gosh, I've already done a Chinese Politburo list.
But no problem, that wouldn't be the same survivor.

I'd greatly appreciate if you wait for one week, because I'll be VERY interested to vote in it.

[big bad fab]

Oh, you're welcome to do it.
I haven't put an option on it .
Well, it wasn'tmy priority, that's all.

I hope everybody will feel free to vote for anyone and that bad guys will be able to win !

[big bad fab]

The Chief Justice Survivor has been completed, with John Marshall as the Survivor.

I'd like to start a US Secretaries of State Survivor.

You start it when you want.

[big bad fab]

"No problemo"

[big bad fab]

Did tb75 delete the vicepresidents survivor? ROTFL

OMG.
Well, tb75, all this work for nothing ?
That's a pity, it was well managed until the George Clinton/Bush Sr tie. And even with your weird tie-breaking, voters were still here.
Or did you want so strongly a Bush Sr victory ?
Survivors are very harsh, sometimes... But it's a game !

[big bad fab]

My friends, maybe I'm a bit "liberal" on this, but I don't want to "ban" someone because of mismanagement of survivors or because of cheating.
After all, some forms of treachery are harder to detect... Some "special" rules can hide a way to influence people. Some delays may be shorter than Libertas' ones, but, still, they can be a subtle way to cheat. Etc.

And, well, I've myself stuffed the ballot box in the World Leaders Survivor in 2009 by PMing other forumers, with some success (BUT just after Hughento allowed to do it, I must give this precision )

But what I don't want to do is taking BIG measures, setting BIG rules, just because of Libertas and tb75 behaving as if we were in primary school.
When you set rules only for a particular case, that always backfires, one way or another.

Don't forget that even Al, afleitch, Kal, Ernest have dropped their or some of their survivor(s), which makes it difficult for me to decide what to do (now the rule is stricter, because of Libertas: 50 days after the last update by managers, the survivor is free to be resumed or restarted by another one).

What I can do, on the contrary, is allowing someone who wants to manage the SAME survivor to do it just after tb75 stops his own.

But, here, don't forget that, if the survivor is entirely deleted, you can restart it without any problem. That was already the case for the Vice Presidents survivor.
And it's OK for Labour party leaders also.

It's still a game and I don't want to "ban" someone in this sub-board, provided he abides by Dave's rules and by my general rules. After that, everybody is free to manage as he wants his own survivors.

The best thing to do is boycotting. I haven't done it soon enough, but now, I'll do it myself . This is the best way to react.

[big bad fab]

Vazdul, jdb:

I've allowed myself to retitle your survivors, which are the only "legitimate" ones now: US VPs and UK party leaders.

[big bad fab]

Guys, I've updated the list of survivors that are now available to be resumed or entirely restarted, due to the fact that their managers haven't updated them for more than 50 days.

Many US or controversial ones are now available.

But please remember that August isn't a good period for high turnout.

[big bad fab]

Has Wartime President Survivor been done? Or Peacetime President Survivor? I'd like to take them.

Well, given the rules, it's a different survivor than "US Presidents survivor", so you can do it.

Wartime would be more interesting .